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Aren't we supposed to have the option to hide this thread then? The film won't come out at the same time in everywhere. People will get spoilers just by looking at the first page and seeing this thread.
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Oh, I see what you did here. Clever girl.
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 295913
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Yeah! but i wanna use this thread… especially because last night i read the second issue of KA3..
BritneyBitch!_Ready4_KA2 (6dbb) 297969
I didn't read what you posted, becuse i don't wanna know too much but.. Hit Girl, after the fight with Mother Russia.. has another fight scene??? or that is her only fight scene in the end of the movie???
And.. i know it can't be better that the first but, Did you enjoy it??? because if the movie is fun and a good ride, it will be good to watch!
How was Aaron?? he start being the same as always and finish the movie being a man?? and kissed Mindy… :/
Cubia (e336) 298173
She has something not worth talking about yet till more people see it cause it is amazing.
It's hard to say i enjoyed it more then the first there are elements of both that i enjoyed that are not the same in both movies.
Aaron is better his character is more matured.
I finally saw it and I might as well give my 2 cents
To say I love the first movie is an understatement. It's my favorite movie of all time. I saw it and the making of docs dozens of times. I saw the last 30 minutes of the movie at least 100 times.
There was no doubt I was going to be disappointed by this. Between the new writer director, pretty meh trailers and specially the mediocre reviews I went in with low expectations.
And yet, despite my skepticism … I really dug the first half, I l kept going "well, I don't care what the reviews say, I'm really liking it". Yet by the end I left in disappointment. I don't think it was a particular element or moment that made it turn around, but a culmination of them. The first one started slow, and then it was buildup, buildup, buildup … and BAM the hard hitting, edge of your seat action packed finale that felt completely rewarding.
It didn't feel that way here. It moved too fast. It didn't start slow and accelerate as it went along. It started fast, then slowed at parts, then picked up speed and it kept its inconsistent progression until the end which didn't feel all that rewarding. The pacing was mishandled and it tried to cram too much story into too little runtime, it should have been longer.
What I liked about it was the character arcs. They made for a natural progression and it was interesting to see their transformations. What I didn't like was the action. The trailers were underwhelming but I kept hoping at least they kept some of the good shit for the actual movie.
Nope. There was no hidden action scene here. No "rescue" scene to take you by surprise and knock you the fuck out with its awesomeness and emotional punch.
I absolutely loved the action scenes in the first. They were fresh, they stood out, they were the opposite of generic. Not here. The fight with the thugs in the alleyway is completely generic. the fight with the ninjas also didn't stood out in any way. The van scene was at least original but I didn't care for it all that much.
Then you have the scene with mother russia vs the cops. Some reviews were raving about it so I was expecting some greatness, especially regarding the "lawnmower" which everyone kept mentioning. Well, I thought the lawnmower bit was stupid as hell and the whole scene was just ok, nothing to write home about.
But fuck it, those don't matter I said to myself. It's all about the hit-girl vs mother russia showdown. That's la piece de resistence. The main event. The action scene that's supposed to make up for everything else.
That was going pretty well until the adrenaline bit … and it all went to hell from there. I couldn't believe how stupid that was. She took that shot and became a mix of the flash and the hulk. She moved like the flash and then she took two punches to the face from mother russia without flinching like she was the hulk. WHY THE FUCK would they include that? It's so fucking retarded. Why? Couldn't they just make her slightly fater/stronger? Did they have to go outside the realm of heightened reality straight into loney toons? God, that was so fucking stupid.
Anyway, here's some random thoughts, what I liked and what I didn't, in no particular order
+ Chloë played her part well and she looked extremely hot in some of the scenes
+ the performances overall were solid, and I think john lequizamo was the best out of the minor characters
+ the scene where chris meets uncle ralphie - that was unexpected and brutal and I loved it
+ the scene where Cpt Stars and Stripes gets his - that was also pretty powerful
- maybe I would have been ok with all puking caused by the sick stick, but shitting … that was just too much, like a kid trying too hard to be edgy
- the rape scene - it could have been something to add more emotional weight to the movie … but instead they played it for cheap laughs
- the soundtrack - it sucked balls, there was not a single stand out track
- the score - that also didn't stand out to me and I never thought it was good except a handful of moments, oddly enough when they were reusing the score from the first
- no decapitation - it's bad enough they ruined that showdown with that stupid adrenaline gimmick, they could have at least kept the decapitation from the comic (I knew they took headcasts of olga so I was waiting for that)
I guess I'll let it marinate some more and maybe see it a few times before I can crystallize my thoughts better.
Mr. Black (6575) 298892
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I agree with most of what you said, but i think i liked it more than you. I disagree about the adrenaline scene, i loved that bit, and i loved the line. I also disagree about the score. Definitely not as great as the KA1 score, but still pretty awesome and feels like Kick-Ass. I really really liked the fight scenes too.
I liked how much HEART Wadlow put into the movie and the characters, i loved all the Big Daddy references. I loved "The Saints Go Marching In" paying homage to the Banana Splits scene. I loved how it felt like a continuation of their story's and not just a rehash. I loved Chloe, Jim Carrey and Chris. Chloe was truly amazing i thought. What was your favorite scene? i loved nearly all of it but i have to say i think the best scene was The Colonel's murder. It was harsh, brutal and sad. He is probably the nicest character in the film and does not get what he deserves. Speaking of, it really pissed me off how Justice Forever and Kick-Ass barely fucking mention him after that!? your leader/friend/a good man was just decapitated by some super-villains and you don't even have an emotional reaction??
I really need to see it again soon, i zoned out in a few scenes because it was so surreal finally watching it after all these years.
>>298892>. I disagree about the adrenaline scene, i loved that bit,
How could you love it?
it turns from a movie into a straight up popeye cartoon. What would be too much for you? If she started flying and shooting lasers out of her eyes?
Because to me moving at super speed and taking a punch in the face from mother russia like it was nothing is too much
Mr. Black (6575) 298894
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Like i just said on IMDb: "Because i loved the moment when her pupils change, i loved Chloe's "crazy face" acting and i loved the line "It's called adrenaline, bitch!".
It's no more stupid than Frank, a grown man trained in martial arts, repeatedly kicking and punching an 11 year old girl in the face. Only to have her face look fine at the end of the movie, apart from some blood stains. She would be either dead or critically injured with a swelled-up face after that. "
and she felt those punches
she was pretty much knocked out
she didn't smile and brush it off like it was nothing
Mr. Black (6575) 298896
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If she had adrenaline she would have. Also like the guy on IMDb said she wasn't actually moving at super-speed it was just an effect to symbolize how she felt. There are many many stupid things in CBM's, in the KA movies their are stupider things than this. Like the Jetpack, like the corridor scene, but we accept them, because they are AWESOME, just like that moment with Mother Russia was.
there was no moment like that in the corridor scene
and in the final fight when she got hit well she acted like it
the whole fight is built around this little girl who can barely harm this huge chick
and then she takes a magic potion that makes her turn into superman
like she was made of stone
I'd take to turn my brain off, take it off and piss on it
I except heightened reality
which is why nothing in the original bothered me (maybe apart form the jetpack) - because there was still an ounce of plausibility
but not here
this is 100% fantasy of the most stupid manner
Mr. Black (6575) 298898
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The reloading guns in mid-air moment is completely unrealistic. It would NEVER happen. We only accept it because it is so badass and awesome. Also, Hit-Girl is running at over a dozen guys in a small corridor, all armed, and she doesn't get hit once.
>>298898>The reloading guns in mid-air moment is completely unrealistic. It would NEVER happen.
it even said so in the making of doc
it's a one in 100 shot but it's still mildly plausible
but the chances of mother russia punching hit-girl in the face and her just standing there like it was nothing is zero point zero percent
>Also, Hit-Girl is running at over a dozen guys in a small corridor, all armed, and she doesn't get hit once.
and you see how she does it step by step
Mr. Black (6575) 298901
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Actually they said it's like 1/1000 chance and that it's "Impossibly possible" or "possibly impossible", either way it's ridiculous. I can't remember the hit you are referring too, does Hit-Girl flinch when MR punches her?
yes, 1 in 1000, 1 in a million, whatever … there's still that microscopic chance it could work>>298901> does Hit-Girl flinch when MR punches her?
No, she just smiles
She doesn't fall, doesn't get off balance, doesn't even gets pushed back … she just smiles
just like if a regular human punched superman in the face
Mr. Black (6575) 298905
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Okay, whatever man, i really enjoyed the hell out of that scene and if anything i would make it last longer. Also i agree she should have been decapitated. Also, why did they cast Olga's face and then not go through with it? the set designer also mentioned he was making a cast of Jim Carrey's head. What's the point of making them only to not use them???
Anyway, I guess I needed to vent and get that out of my system, That scene is so stupid that I wanted to punch someone in the face>>298892
>I liked how much HEART Wadlow put into the movie and the characters, i loved all the Big Daddy references.
> I loved "The Saints Go Marching In" paying homage to the Banana Splits scene.
I liked that bit thought it didn't hold a candle to the original imo
>I loved how it felt like a continuation of their story's and not just a rehash.
One of the best things about it
>I loved Chloë, Jim Carrey and Chris. Chloë was truly amazing i thought.
I'd add John Leguizamo to that list.
>What was your favorite scene? i loved nearly all of it but i have to say i think the best scene was The Colonel's murder. It was harsh, brutal and sad. He is probably the nicest character in the film and does not get what he deserves.
Definitelly one of the best scenes, maybe even THE best. I'll have to rewatch it to give a better answer. I also loved the part where she sneaks into dave's bedroom and they hugged
>Speaking of, it really pissed me off how Justice Forever and Kick-Ass barely fucking mention him after that!?
well dave said "this is for the colonel" when he punched MF, plus they had a "hey, language" line on the rooftop, plus the talk about his burial
I would have loved it too if it didn't turn 100% clinically retarded towards the end.
> Also, why did they cast Olga's face and then not go through with it? the set designer also mentioned he was making a cast of Jim Carrey's head. What's the point of making them only to not use them???
I have no idea. It feels like a lot of stuff was cut out were was re-shot / re-done
I also remember chris saying that he was chocking the colonel at one point, yet that's not in the movie
Anonymous (3207) 298913
Just saw it. It was fun, but not nearly as good as the first. The music wasn't memorable at all, and the ending was goddamn awful. One of the best things about the comic was it's ending, but this one was very… I don't know, it kinda' felt like being punched in the stomach, after the build up. Very cliche too. It leaves you on a Hit-Girl is no longer a girl any more, and I walked out thinking that there was absolutely no chance for The Finale to be made into a movie. It's weird, because the after credits scene completely set's up a third movie too. But how Hit-girl was treated at the end, compared to the comic just makes me feel like KA3 would not work.
That new Todd was awful too, and Jim Carrey actually falls flat. Like, he was REALLY boring in this, his only good lines were in the trailer. I suppose it's cool that Chloe stole the show again. Mclovin was actually great too…
oh yeah, forgot about that
the new todd was fucking awful
they had zero chemistry
but on the plus side they got erica back
also, I lold at the people in highschool making pedo jokes about dave and his "relationship" with mindy
I fall somewhere in the middle
I thin the big shock was the first time you saw it and went "holy fuck that is carrey, what a dramatic change"
but the trailer got you past that phase and once you get into his role, he's not such a show stealer
but I disagree about him being flat or boring, I think he did a great job
Mr. Black (6575) 298924
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I loved the character in the comics and i loved the character in the movie. And i think Jim actually made him better. He was under-used in both the comic and movie.
Cubia (e336) 298978
That Adrenaline you hated so much was a call back too "Activating Code Red" Kick ass comic 1 #8, in which Dave (Kick Ass) ask is that Cocaine? What came next was Hit Girl taking a meat mallet too the Face more then once and then quickly dispatched a room full of guy's .
So i can only assume a couple of thing's making it look like Cocaine would of had the audience all think "is that cocaine?"
Also given the situation where she had to use it i don't think tricking Mother Russia that she was trying to get her to breath something in her nose just to have her blow it in Hit Girls nose would of been as realistic of a situation as a needle.
Mr. Black (6575) 299028
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>I also loved the part where she sneaks into dave's bedroom and they hugged
Chloe's performance in that scene: A+++++++++
>well dave said "this is for the colonel" when he punched MF, plus they had a "hey, language" line on the rooftop, plus the talk about his burial
Okay, i only heard the first reference to him, on the rooftop. Regardless, i wanted to see an emotional reaction from Dave since someone he looked up to was just brutally murdered, instead it was just "Who's this asshole?"
that pic is what I'm talking about
I don't remember it in the movie, or maybe my memory is failing me
but avengers assemble, asshole was definitely not in there
also, one question that bugged me was … why didn't Trevor play insect man?
Mr. Black (6575) 299056
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No i remember this shot in the movie, it's when he says "I'm here to end Kick-Ass" or whatever.
Some lines that were not in the movie:
"Avengers assemble, asshole."
"Colonel Stars and Stripes, reporting for duty!"
Also The Colonel saying that Eisenhower's secret identity is Sophia. Also, Sophia did not appear in the final fight and bite The Mother Fucker's balls like she did in the leaked ending clip.
And, YES! THE DUKE should definitely have played Insect Man!
>>299056>Sophia did not appear in the final fight and bite The Mother Fucker's balls like she did in the leaked ending clip.
I noticed that too but I didn't mind it
still, you can't shake the feeling that a lot was cut from this movie
Mr. Black (6575) 299063
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That's what pissed me off most about it. They cut out awesome moments even though the movie was shorter than the first.
Some guy on IMDb claimed that Nicolas Cage had a voice over line near the end "Tool up honey-bunny, it's time to get bad guys" i was expecting it and then it never came and that left me disappointed.
Mr. Black (6575) 299076
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Dat epic picture though <3
I loved how it kept showing his suit like "Big Daddy is watching over them". And i loved that bit "My daddy was the first real superhero".
Dave acted like an ass in that scene, it's his fault Big Daddy died in the first place….
>>299076>And i loved that bit "My daddy was the first real superhero".
loved that part
>Dave acted like an ass in that scene, it's his fault Big Daddy died in the first place….
I think they should have touched the subject a little, like dave saying he's sorry for it
Mr. Black (6575) 299078
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Also of course when she brings the extra hot chocolate and marshmallows and leaves it by the photo </3
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that one got me right in the feels
AK_ChloëFan (4c33) 299261
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Have to wait 1 more day to see it. Wish I could stop myself from reading reviews tonight.
42% vs. 77% Ouch!http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/kick_ass_2_2013/http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1217700-kick_ass/
AK_ChloëFan (4c33) 299287
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Haven't seen KA2 yet so I have to make some guesses about what's been implied here.
I've read most of the posts in this thread and I hope you're not saying that Chloë injects herself with EPINEPHrine (lay term adrenalin) followed by a "superhero" performance?
Come on! Couldn't they at least throw a little bit of money towards a medical adviser? IV Epi is 100% excreted within 3-5min and is used to resuscitate a victim - not give them super-strength. IV Caffeine would have more effect on her than Epi.
If they wanted to shoot a drug fueled rampage at least give it some semblance of reality as opposed to a fake gimmick like this.
e.g. Ingenuity was displayed in KA1 when they decided to have HG not just use any old knife like countless movies but she made a Balisong come to life.
KA2 could have done something similar by having HG order up a drug cocktail from one of her cohorts that actually could mask pain and give her a strength boost combined with temporary psychosis that would make her feel invincible. If she's yelling at a Russian who doesn't speak English why not make the drug use based in reality while having her insult be outrageous and unique to confuse her opponent even more?
"We call it an ADDERALL Cocktail BITCH! All the cool kids are doing it!"
Get the audience wanting to hear the line again to speculate and argue about the possibilities. Not just laugh at it because it's total BS.
Someone please tell me I miss-read your posts
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>>298859>To say I love the first movie is an understatement
Hope mojo is wrong.>most other signs suggests that Kick-Ass 2 won't out-earn its predecessor: the new movie seems to lack the sharp visuals and action of the first, and the real-life teenage superhero gimmick doesn't feel as fresh this time around either. It's entirely possible that Kick-Ass 2 matches the first movie's gross, though anything higher would be very surprising.>Box-office.mojo
ming (4807) 300287
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Well just got back from the theater. I was definitely disappointed. Quick rundown of good and bad:
-The first 15 minutes or so were fantastic. So much fun.
-The Motherfucker. For me, he saved the movie from being a bomb. He was hilarious in every scene.
-The first fight scene where Dave is dressed as a pimp was great. Unfortunately, that was the best fight scene in the whole movie for me.
-Doctor Gravity was also very funny. The moment after he saves Kick-Ass and they start running and yelling on the sidewalk, I was laughing so hard.
-The part where Mindy cries was emotional.
-Hit-Girl storyline was terrible. Union J was stupid. Sick Stick was stupid. I can't even remember what else Hit-Girl does, which obviously says something. It's been a while since I read the comics, but I remember them being so much funnier. Like Mindy saw being a high schooler as a secret identity. But there was none of that in the movie.
-All the other Hit-Girl fight scenes outside of the first one were disappointing. I wanted to see Hit-Girl be a badass like at Razul's apartment, or the strobe light scene, or the schoolgirl scene, or the corridor scene. I would compare her fight scenes in KA2 to her fight scene with Frank D'Amico. Just one-on-one and not that much fun. And even the Frank D'Amico fight scene was better directed.
-All the characters said just bizarre stuff. I can't think of many examples, because I can't remember any of the weird words they came up with. It was like they were talking in code. If you have seen the movie, I hope you know what I'm talking about.
-Colonel Stars and Stripes wasn't even that good. I don't get the hype for this character. He didn't do or say much.
-Just about every character was one-dimensional.
This movie was just totally missing out on what made the first one so good. Matthew and Jane are greatly missed. A few jokes here and there worked, but the audience I saw it with did not seem to be into it very much. See it for the Motherfucker, but don't expect much else.
>>300292>. It's just that she was barely given anything to do the entire movie.
her dancing show off and her expression during that was just priceless
same thing with the confrontation in the woods with "queen b"
her scene with dave at his dad's funeral plus when she entered her bedroom were also very good
and I'm sure I'm forgetting some
I really liked her character arc and I think she nailed it completely. However, I do agree with a lot of the points you brought up, especially the fight scenes, none of which comes close to what the original had to offer
Anonymous (9c2b) 300346
what do you guys think the odds are that the blu-ray will have a TRULY kick-ass unrated cut with everything that shouldve been left in (or at least a good amount of it)?
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I remember I noticed the soldier kid statue in MF's lair which made me smile for some reason
I only saw that poster too, but that's because it was pretty prominent in the scene.
I wasn't really looking for them though to be honest.
AK_ChloëFan47 (891b) 300955
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>>299287>I've read most of the posts in this thread and I hope you're not saying that Chloë injects herself with EPINEPHrine (lay term adrenalin) followed by a "superhero" performance?
I finally got to see KA2 tonight. I have to say that i was glad I read this spoiler thread beforehand, especially since I had to miss the premiere showing Thursday night.
This thread tempered my expectations going in and it helped me pay attention to the "last resort" gimmick. The drug was displayed 3 times in the film. Only the third was lengthy but by the second quick flash it was readily apparent that it was NOT adrenalin (EPI). This knowledge enables me to infer a storyline that lifts it up from a cartoonish joke to one that gets closer to potential reality.
BD was trying to protect HG from the knowledge of what she would be injecting herself with if she used it as a last resort. They were fighting crimiinals so BD had no desire to let HG know that she had illicit substances in her possession. EPI is carried everyday by countless people who suffer from severe allergies. HG thought it was adrenalin but EPI is a drug of FIRST resort for anaphylactic reactions and ACLS resuscitations, it's definitely not a last resort drug.
Once you know HG didn't have EPI with her and you hear her use the "…adrenalin Bitch!" line it works on multiple levels. The drugs are already kicking in, as evidenced by the crazed look on her face. This makes her line delivery really funny and made even more so because she makes her emphatic statement about adrenalin even though she has no idea what she was just injected with. But we know that BD was looking out for her from beyond the grave with this weapon of LAST resort that he knew could potentially kill her or save her. Her movements during the remainder of the fight do mimic psychotomimetic effects of some drugs. I would be interested in seeing a follow-up interview with Chloë and/or Trevor at some point to hear what kind of coaching she received for that particular fight. Was any kind of research done with respect to her facial expressions and body movements?
I'm also starting to rethink the J Carrey boycott rationale. Although unspoken, I think it's possible Carrey saw the finished product and realized the implications of his final scene and how bad he looked. He was Born Again and carrying an empty gun. If he wasn't so anti-gun he could have easily wasted the mega-c*%ts as they broke into his "house" and came at him. But instead he's basically impotent and a poster child for would-be victims who don't want to lose their right to bear arms. Anyone who doesn't want to suffer the same fate as he did on screen realizes that gun ownership including bullets
could have saved him. Not the kind of message a strict gun control advocate wants to send.
Bottom line: it was by no means a great film but it was definitely a fun one. I don't think I would have appreciated it nearly as much if I watched it in an empty theater because I would have focused too much on the cheesy lines and scenes that didn't work. But I was lucky enough to be in a full theater with a crowd that was really into it - yelling, cheering, cussing, jeering, etc. There were plenty of scenes that actually did work to overshadow those that clearly didn't. Plus Chloë and CMP were fantastic. JL AKA "The Butler" was great too, but he didn't last long enough.
Support Chloë. Go see KA2–early and often this weekend!
All that huge rant of yours regarding the "adrenaline" completely and utterly misses what was being discussed which is
THAT DRUG TURNED HER INTO SUPERMAN
she got punched in the face by mother russia and she didn't fell, she didn't get pushed back, she didn't flinch .. she just smiled
that is 100% pure fantasy
not heightened reality but pure science fiction
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can't wait to read all this
AK_ChloëFan47 (891b) 300973
>>300969>not heightened reality but pure science fiction
I said closer to POTENTIAL reality not heightened reality.
Phencyclidine, Adderrall and some other drugs in the correct dosage can temporarily heighten strength and make the user psychotically laugh at painful stimuli. That's not science fiction - that's science fact.
>>300978>>300973>That's not science fiction - that's science fact.
All the fucking drugs in the world will not make a girl of her size remain completely immune to a punch from someone the size of olga
that's not science fact that's science bullshit
it's basic physics ffs
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I agree with most of what you said in your original post, but not with this adrenaline bit.
It's not 100% pure fantasy. There have been documented cases where people show extraordinary strength when in disastrous situations. Here are some examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysterical_strength
And that's without any type of drug.
all the fucking strength in the world would not make her immune to such a punch
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i know what you mean. It felt like I was watching a soap opera at some points.
AK_ChloëFan47 (891b) 300994
>>300980> basic physics
You're correct that drugs don't affect the laws of physics. That's a given. But they can impact strength, pain perception and emotional intensity.
inb4 we start using citations to make this an evidence based debate.
assuming it made her the strongest person in the world
at her size and at olga's size she would still be pushed back at the very least
not smile as if it was feather tickling her
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all the strength in the world, would probably make her immune to that. But whatever, this isn't something that we can prove so I'm not gonna go on further with this.
I think AK says it good:>>300994
There are instances where people take drugs, or have an adrenaline rush and are able to withstand an unusual amount of pain. That's a fact.
I feel like there are so many instances where you have to suspend disbelief in both KA's. I really don't think this is something to riot over.
AK_ChloëFan47 (891b) 301004
>>300996>at her size and at olga's size she would still be pushed back at the very least
I'll have to see it again. It was pretty wild in the theater. I don't recall a punch with no movement at all on her part.
But I'll take your word for it. I just found a way to enjoy the scene after all. Because I went in thinking I was going to hate it due to the EPI inaccuracy.
I;m not talking about her not feeling the pain
for fuck's sake how are people not getting this
and it has nothing to do with her strength, it's about olga's strength and their mass
you apply a force on an object and it reacts
it might get knocked back (like when mike tyson would punch a reguar guy in the face) or it might remain still (like when someone touches another one's face with a feather).
basic fucking physics
>>301004> I don't recall a punch with no movement at all on her part.
yet that's exactly what happened
like I said before
it was like a regular guy punching superman in the face - she just smiled and shrugged it off like it was nothing
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I understand you're talking about her movement. You think she should've moved when she got hit with a punch.
This happens in so many action movies.
Like I said, for some reason you can suspend disbelief when Chloe rolls over on a truck thats speeding on a highway and manages to stay on top. There's some flawed physics there. As well as when Dave shoots a bazooka quicker than Frank shoots a gun + a lot more
If you can justify those somehow, you can justify this scene by saying 1. chloe took a drug and 2. she has a sturdy stance that allows her to take a punch
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also, its a comic book movie
How did you feel when Frank Damico flew through the sky after being shot with a bazooka?
You deemed that even remotely possible?
>>301018>This happens in so many action movies.
but in most action movies they don't have the hero punched in the face by someone twice their size and 3 times their weight .. and just brush it off as if it were nothing
>Like I said, for some reason you can suspend disbelief when Chloë rolls over on a truck thats speeding on a highway and manages to stay on top.
and they showed her grabbing the bullet holes in the roof
don't get me wrong I had some issues with that scene too
when those guys started shooting the roof there was almost no way they could have missed her
but let's say say she was very lucky
it's still heightened reality
one of those 1 in 100 scenarios
>As well as when Dave shoots a bazooka quicker than Frank shoots a gun + a lot more
well dave had his aimed while frank had his hand down
>If you can justify those somehow, you can justify this scene by saying 1. Chloë took a drug and 2. she has a sturdy stance that allows her to take a punch
no I can't
because that's no longer heightened reality
it's 100% fantasy
>>301020>.also, its a comic book movie
that means people might as well start flying because fuck it, it's a comic book movie
>How did you feel when Frank Damico flew through the sky after being shot with a bazooka?
I was bothered by the trajectory (he would have gone down in an arc) but it's still one of those rare case scenarios
also, someone suggested that was an armor piercing projectile (the kind used to bust though fortifications and that doesn't explode on impact)
so yes, highly unlikely but still mildly plausible
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whatever, i feel like "highly unlikely, but mildly possible" could be applied to the punch as well.
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what are the chances that they remake this movie in some years?
we'll agree to disagree and leave it at that because arguing about that only aggravates me more and reminds me how mind-numbingly stupid I thought it was
Anyway, what would be your score and what would you give it?
Give it a pomp review
the same chance of reloading your guns in mid-air from the first attempt
this looks like it might bomb
a third one might seem unlikely
let alone a reboot .. which frankly I couldn't care less about
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Yea, he did something similar in the first movie. I find that pretty fucked up. I feel like a nerdy guy like Dave would be more sensitive to a topic like that, especially since he's partially responsible for her dads death.
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alright, imma write something up now>>301033
i hope it does bomb. It doesn't deserve to be successful and maybe someone will see what a horrible mistake they made, and redeem themselves somehow. wishful thinking, i know
I agree with it that if this movie bombs they will realize what a mistake they made
but it might also shut down the doors for a third one
I hope there is a thin line where this flops hard enough to kick wadlow out and bring vaughn back, but still have studios wanting to buy it
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you're reading between the lines and missing the point
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I thought the start of the movie was decent, aside from the overly dramatic interactions between Marcus and Mindy which felt like a soap opera at times. They jumped right into the action with Mindy training Dave, which I thought was good. The score was evidently horrible, which further emphasized some type of soap opera style production. The extreme close-ups on Mindy felt really awkward too. As much as I love seeing Chloe in HD, it felt weird and unnecessary; almost as if they were trying to capitalize on Chloe's attractiveness, instead of the focus being on the writing.
I liked that they kept a lot of scenes from the comic, like when Dave dresses as a pimp to purposely get mugged. I dislike a lot of the corny lines like "act like a bitch, get slapped like a bitch" and "pants on fire", though I thought the latter line redeemed itself after the fight when Mindy questions Dave about whether her line was good or not. I thought that was comical, and from a comedic standpoint, I think this movie succeeded. It had some funny parts.
It's great that they decided to build these character's and delve into their personal lives. That was a good choice, though I guess they were just following the comics on that. I feel like they went about Mindy the wrong way. Her character felt like a drastic change. I understand that she's older than she was in the first one, but if anything, that made it even more strange. All of a sudden, now that she's in her teenage years she starts conforming? That's the time for rebellion. This is where I think they should've kept it similar to the comics. Aside from her wardrobe looking really preppy, her emotions and interest in boy-bands seemed really out of character. Personally, I would've liked it if she was a tom-boy and only pretended to like modern pop culture to fit in with the "cool girls." She should be fucking pissed about what happened to her dad, like she was in the first one, and back then she was only 11. Now her lines regarding Big Daddy just felt weak "My father made a promise to never stop defending this city…" And I thought they were fishing for cheap laughs when Dave goes "Your dad was insane. You know that right?" You're friend is making a heartfelt statement about the death of her dad, which YOU contributed to, and you're going to tell her that he was insane?! That was stupid.
Like others have pointed out, the pacing was fucked. It felt very rushed; almost like they were trying to cram in 2 comic book series in 1 movie. *nudge, nudge* From Mindy training Dave, to Mindy resigning, to Dave forming a superhero team, to Dave's dad being murdered. It all felt rushed. I have nothing to complain about the Mother Fucker. He was stupid, evil, and unintentionally funny.
I think the fight scenes were the best part of this movie. Don't get me wrong, KA1 was clearly superior with their action sequences, but this movie changed up the style, and I enjoyed it. There were a lot of interesting ways people were getting killed, and lots of blood, which is always something I enjoy. Though sometimes the cuts were so fast it was hard to tell what was going on, for the most part the fight scenes were pretty awesome. Aside from Hit-Girl's, I thought all the costumes were really well done, as well.
This review is kind of jumbled. It's hard to make something precide and conclusive when I've only seen it once and I don't have it in front of me to make references to.
Mindy character development
soundtrack + score
Overall, it was entertaining but a very poor sequel to such an amazing movie.
"queasy fetishization of Chloë Grace Moretz's Hit Girl this time round,"http://www.hitfix.com/in-contention/tell-us-what-you-thought-of-kick-ass-2#GqYskb8G0VjxzhW2.99
Hahah what the hell. I'm a huge chloe fan yet I didn't think she gave off a fetishistic vibe at all what with all the violence and everything. She didn't overtake anything at all.
Just putting her in normal girl clothes is fetish material? Wow. And her lines and 'crass' words were well within context and it's not like she just stares into the camera and says one liners for no reason.
I agree with a lot of what you said except the hit-girl subplot
I thought it was an interesting direction to take the character
having her be the same old same old might have gotten stale and this was an welcomed change
you had this girl who could kill people in many different ways and she could handle herself in any situation, but you put her in college where she has to act like a regular kid and all of a sudden she's vulnerable
>All of a sudden, now that she's in her teenage years she starts conforming? That's the time for rebellion.
she gave her word that she would give up crime fighting and if you think she'd break her word then you don't know her at allif u c uat I did thar
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>I agree with a lot of what you said except the hit-girl subplot
>you had this girl who could kill people in many different ways…, but you put her in college where she has to act like a regular kid and all of a sudden she's vulnerable
I wasn't disappointed at that. I liked the idea that she has trouble connecting with girls her age. I just didn't like this idea that "when it comes to boys [they're] all the same" As if Mindy would be so easily swooned by a product like Union J. And this isn't just me imposing my views on the character. Big Daddy raised her. He brought her up on comic books and fighting. I'm sure his music taste was far from that. She dressed like she's straight out of an Aeropostale poster too. It would've made more sense if everything about her didn't fit in with the girls at her school. Then when she came in with the dress at the end, it would've been more of a shock.
You were probably just joking with that line from the movie, but tbc anyways, I meant conforming as in trying so desperately to fit in.
>>301106> I just didn't like this idea that "when it comes to boys [they're] all the same"
Is that a line from the movie? I don't get where it's coming from
>As if Mindy would be so easily swooned by a product like Union J
she said it herself she would rather be waterboarded (?) than listen to justin bieber
but then again she is at that age where hormones are kicking in and seeing that video got her aroused, just like other girls because no matter how much of a badass she was … she was still a teenage girl with the same urges
I also liked how she picked up that "first date" - typical hit-girl style
and I also liked her kiss with dave
the only thing I didn't like about that subplot was that stupid stick stick … especially the pooping
I must also give the movie points for that scene in the woods … it almost felt like I was watching carrie
for those who watch it again - take a closer look at that shot where she walks back home … am I the only one who found it weird (she was walking with her hands stiff besides her body)
and I must also mention again the scene where she sneaks in into dave's bedroom
it was very emotional
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yup. It's from the Union J scene where the Queen Bitch says that to Mindy.
I know her hormones are kicking in, but that doesn't mean she has to fall in love with the same boys the popular girls do. I think the comic version has a way better Mindy.
I like how she picked up the boy too.
Her kiss was good. I thought it was going to be overly romantic, but it was done well.
I liked the stick stick. I thought that was hilarious. The pooing was really comicy.
The scene in the woods did remind me of Carrie. This is the only time where I thought the score was executed well. They had me thinking that some serious shit was about to go down, but then the music stops and the Queen Bitch says "ditch ditch" or whatever, and it really emphasizes the contrast between the punishment in Hit-Girl's world vs. Mindy's world. Though HG's is more physically damaging, Mindy's is more emotionally traumatic.
Mr. Black (7955) 301244
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>I think the comic version has a way better Mindy.
The Mindy in the comics just acts the same as when she is wearing the Hit-Girl mask, there isn't really any depth there. There doesn't need to be, it's a comic book, it's short and you read it for the funny lines and cool drawings. But Kick-Ass 1 the movie added waaaaaaaayyyyy more heart than what was in the comic. Hit-Girl was great in the first movie because of her relationship with Big Daddy and Chloe's amazing performance, she elevated the material more than any other actress could. Now she's older and Big Daddy is gone, Mindy had to be explored. And she's far more developed than she is in the comic, you like her more in the comic just because she's still a kid. Mindy in this movie was just as great as she was in KA1, her older age actually opened up more drama and development for her character, and she's easily one of the best female action heroes of all time.
AK_ChloëFan47 (891b) 301252
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Chloë got to demonstrate a lot more range in KA2.
Mr. Black (7955) 301254
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I agree, she's so damn amazing in the movie. They keep the camera on her face for like 10-15 seconds in the woods scene when everyone leaves because her acting is that incredible.
AK_ChloëFan47 (891b) 301255
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>>301254>she's so damn amazing in the movie
You take Chloë out and all you're left with is a B-grade direct to DVD flick.
Mr. Black (7955) 301256
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Nope. It has the same tone and FUN feel of the first Kick-Ass, and it has a lot of heart. I love the Kick-Ass franchise in general. And Chloe was not the only standout in this movie - i loved The Mother Fucker, Colonel Stars and Stripes and Mother Russia. Now of course KA1 and KA2 would be nowhere near as good without Chloe, but that's like saying TDK would be boring without Heath Ledger.
I agree, I never felt like I was waiting for HitGirl to come back on.
The motherfucker had so many great lines and moments ..
Kick Ass parts were great too by themselves.
Mr. Black (7955) 301260
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Yeah Dave's arc i really enjoyed too, it's just that he's the leading man who isn't as flashy and awesome as some other characters. Hit-Girl, Mother Fucker and The Colonel are just too damn awesome.
AK_ChloëFan47 (891b) 301262
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>>301256>TDK would be boring without Heath Ledger.
agreed.Keep in mind I'm not a fanboy. But I do respect your opinion–we like what we like
Mr. Black (7955) 301278
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It is definitely the same tone, it shifts from ridiculous and funny to dark, serious and emotional and has the same feel as the first movie. It feels like the Kick-Ass world.
Mr. Black (7955) 301281
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She's in the movie a lot, and is one of the central focuses. Even though she's not in the HG costume much her character arc is great and Chloe is amazing. I don't know who said the movies downhill when she's not on-screen but like i said, it's simply not true. I really liked Kick-Asses story and The Mother Fucker, Colonel Stars and Stripes and Mother Russia own every scene they are in.
Mr. Black (7955) 301284
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I disagree. And people said the same thing about the first movie, how the tone is all over the place. That's one of the reasons i love the two movies.
Anonymous (1a56) 301286
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It seems to me that people that are shitting on this movie liked the original Kick-Ass and people that took a dump on the original are the ones finding no fault in Kick-Ass 2 and love it.
Seems that they did exactly what they were supposed to do. Fix all the mistakes they made with the first one and bring new people to watch Kick-Ass 2.
They knew that they wouldn't lose any of the original Kick-Ass fanbase as they would see it at least once anyway being die hard fans. We all watched it anyway despite disliking it. Some more then once despite not liking it.
Mr. Black (7955) 301287
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That's not true though, i have literally only seen like two people on the internet claim that it's better than the first. Pretty much everyone agrees that Kick-Ass 2 is not as good as the first, but most seemed to have really enjoyed Kick-Ass 2…..
Anonymous (2304) 301289
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That's what I mean. People are making the mistake of comparing it to the first. They created GOLD with the first movie. Everyone is stupid to think that they could create a movie as good as the first. Like every sequel ever created there was no way that would ever happen. No sequel has struck GOLD a second time.
But as far as sequels go this is the best of the movie sequels that have ever been made. Most closest to being as good as the original then any other sequel has ever gotten.
Anonymous (9c2b) 301290
sadly everyone on the kick ass fb page is saying its better than the first -____- https://www.facebook.com/kickass?fref=ts>>301289
thats making excuses tho cuz if they had vaughn and goldman back with no recasts it still wouldve been a great movie, regardless if it was worse than the first, just because they actually would know what theyre doing.
acting like it couldnt be better is a copout
Were just arguing opinions here you know? But to me it had the same feeling, but just much darker. I was surprised that it came across pretty close to what the original was.
The ample amount of self-awareness about the cheesiness helped.
Anonymous (8766) 301292
Suggesting that Vaughn and Goldman could have done any better is a cop out as well. The people that say it isn't as good as the first and isn't a great movie would still say that they did a shit job with the sequel as well. No sequel in our minds will ever be as good as the original.
Star Wars fans all say that Empire sucks compared to the original Star Wars. But I bet if someone that never saw the original watched Empire first they would think it is the best movie ever made.
Anonymous (9c2b) 301302
i cant speak for everyone else but i personally would not overreact and trash it because goldman and vaughn wouldve prolly improved everything that wadlow struggled with. and thats not a stretch or copout since they made the first one lol.
even if they too somehow lost grasp of what they succeeded at with the first one, its only logical to assume theyd still manage to do it better than wadlow in terms of plot, tone, pacing, shooting
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>The Mindy in the comics just acts the same as when she is wearing the Hit-Girl mask, there isn't really any depth there. There doesn't need to be, it's a comic book, it's short and you read it for the funny lines and cool drawings.
This couldn't be further from the truth. Dude, on like the 5th page of HG issue 1, she's crying at her father's grave, and stressing about the girls from school: Daddy, you taught me how to blind a man with my thumbs…why I can't I handle these bitches?
Have you read all the comics? The Hit-Girl series? If you have, you need to refresh your memory.
>But Kick-Ass 1 the movie added waaaaaaaayyyyy more heart than what was in the comic.
>Hit-Girl was great in the first movie because of her relationship with Big Daddy and Chloe's amazing performance, she elevated the material more than any other actress could.
Chloe did do an amazing performance in the first movie. A movie works different than a comic, though. You're comparing two vastly different mediums. It's not even logical to keep using phrases like "she elevated the material." Her acting was great. But the script that someone else wrote for her
, was also adapted from the comic. Chloe in KA1 is way closer to the comic than she is in KA2. This movie was mainstream. I don't think anyone can deny that. That isn't Chloe's fault at all, though. Jeff Wadlow wanted to take it in a different direction, a direction that I thought was subpar.
>And she's far more developed than she is in the comic, you like her more in the comic just because she's still a kid.
Are you really attempting to tell me why I
like her more in the comic? Sauce pls.
If anything, it seems like you have a bias towards Chloe. Sauce is your posts. You're just praising this movie completely and all because of Chloe
. She's beautiful, she's funny, and she's a great actress. I know. I'm calling something as I see it, though, not basing my review on my level of worship for Chloe.
Anonymous (9c2b) 301304
not really just opinion, its already been discussed in here and elsewhere with plenty of examples of how the tone isnt the same because of how unevenly the pacing is and how they employed humor so close to situations that are supposed to hit us close to home.
i liked the movie btw, but im just saying
Mr. Black (7955) 301362
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>This couldn't be further from the truth. Dude, on like the 5th page of HG issue 1, she's crying at her father's grave, and stressing about the girls from school: Daddy, you taught me how to blind a man with my thumbs…why I can't I handle these bitches? Have you read all the comics? The Hit-Girl series? If you have, you need to refresh your memory.
Yes i have read it, but that isn't added depth to the character. That's just an example of a funny panel referencing Big Daddy'.
YES. I can't believe you are actually debating this, everyone who has seen the movie and read the comic agreed that the movie had way more heart. Even Mark Millar himself admitted the movie had and needed more heart than the comic. Matthew Vaughn stated this several times "Mark's good with big ideas but for the movie we needed to put more emotion and heart into it". This is why they made Big Daddy sympathetic in the movie, so that you actually care when he dies.
>Chloe did do an amazing performance in the first movie. A movie works different than a comic, though. You're comparing two vastly different mediums. It's not even logical to keep using phrases like "she elevated the material." Her acting was great. But the script that someone else wrote for her, was also adapted from the comic. Chloe in KA1 is way closer to the comic than she is in KA2. This movie was mainstream. I don't think anyone can deny that. That isn't Chloe's fault at all, though. Jeff Wadlow wanted to take it in a different direction, a direction that I thought was subpar.
Her relationship with Big Daddy grounded her, without that it would have come off as nothing more than a shock value character or a cartoon. In the sequel they needed to advance and grow her character more because Big Daddy is non longer around. And she's older, so she has to be different and going through more stuff emotionally than before.
>Are you really attempting to tell me why I like her more in the comic? Sauce pls.
Yes. Because it's obvious you just like the "Hit-Girl" part of Hit-Girl, all the one-liners, cool action scenes and badassness. I loved the character of Mindy herself in Kick-Ass 2.
>If anything, it seems like you have a bias towards Chloe. Sauce is your posts. You're just praising this movie completely and all because of Chloe. She's beautiful, she's funny, and she's a great actress. I know. I'm calling something as I see it, though, not basing my review on my level of worship for Chloe.
I already said that i LOVED The Mother Fucker, Colonel Stars and Stripes and Mother Russia. And i'm a big fan of the comics and the Kick-Ass world in general.
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>Yes i have read it, but that isn't added depth to the character. That's just an example of a funny panel referencing Big Daddy'.
Explain to me what are indications of more "depth" in the movie? The extreme close-ups on Chloe's face? The dramatic music?
That wasn't simply a funny panel, referencing Big Daddy. If you had actually read the comics you'd know that Hit-Girl never
cries, thus, this would
be adding more depth to the character of Mindy. In the comic (like in real life) her character is more consistent because it is one
person. So when you see her crying at her dad's grave and stressing about girls from school, this adds a whole new aspect to Mindy, while still making it believable that it's the same girl.
>I can't believe you are actually debating this, everyone who has seen the movie and read the comic agreed that the movie had way more heart.
No. You like throwing these words around with no evidence. Examples of more "heart" in the movie pls. Like I said in my original review, they made the character of Mindy more inconsistent with the previous movie, as well as the comic. They turned her into a more generic character to attract a broader audience. Chloe even says herself this movie was mainstream. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Vt0YDTTPo
>Her relationship with Big Daddy grounded her, without that it would have come off as nothing more than a shock value character or a cartoon. In the sequel they needed to advance and grow her character more because Big Daddy is non longer around. And she's older, so she has to be different and going through more stuff emotionally than before.
Yea…This had absolutely nothing to do with the statement you quoted me on. Keep on putting words in my mouth, it's making your argument look so stable. If you continue to provide zero evidence to support your conclusions, and have an attitude of "I like the movie better, therefore it was better than the comic" I'm not going to continue this discussion.
Mr. Black (7955) 301465
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>Explain to me what are indications of more "depth" in the movie? The extreme close-ups on Chloe's face? The dramatic music?
The fact that she actually looks incredibly happy when she starts to fit in with other girls, that deep down inside she would love to have friends/a boyfriend but she knows that she is too messed up to be that normal. The scene where she goes to Dave's room and just cries to him and opens herself up to another person for the first time says a lot about Mindy as a person on it's own.
>No. You like throwing these words around with no evidence. Examples of more "heart" in the movie pls. Like I said in my original review, they made the character of Mindy more inconsistent with the previous movie, as well as the comic. They turned her into a more generic character to attract a broader audience. Chloe even says herself this movie was mainstream. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Vt0YDTTPo
She says it's more mainstream because shes trying to sell it to a wider audience and because Hit-Girl isn't 11 anymore and that removes the "controversy" aspect that the first movie had. And i was talking about the first movie when i made the "more heart" comparisons, and i already gave a comparison. In the comics Big Daddy is a total asshole in the end and he pretty much deserves to die, in the movie he is more sympathetic and his death isn't quick and cold. He even gets to say goodbye to his daughter in the movie, and dies with a smile on his face. In the comic it's just *BANG* another character dead, and he died thinking Mindy was dead.
If you want a KA2 example, Chris was far more developed and believable in the movies than he was in the comics. In the comics he's just a sadistic emotionless asshole, while in the movie he is a good kid to start out with, and you see him extremely nervous before going to shoot Hit-Girl. He basically goes insane when his father is killed, and after he kills his mother Haviar is the only thing keeping the Chris part of Chris alive, which is why he can't kill the guys in the store in his first supervillain scene. Once Haviar is murdered by his uncle, Chris loses the last part of himself and turns into a monster. Although his inability to rape Night-Bitch shows that deep down he's not really an evil guy. In the KA2 comic The Mother Fucker just randomly shoots loads of kids for no reason while not showing a hint of emotion. The only time he showed any emotion or trace of being a human being in the comics is when Dave knocks him off the roof and he asks for help, but that was probably just bullshit to save his own life.
>Yea…This had absolutely nothing to do with the statement you quoted me on.
Um, yes it did. My point was that you said HG is closer in KA1 to the comic HG than she is in the KA2 movie. And i said this is because she is not 11 anymore and Big Daddy is no longer alive, which results in her needing more layers as she is now both a different person physically and emotionally and doesn't have that relationship with her father anymore.
>If you continue to provide zero evidence to support your conclusions, and have an attitude of "I like the movie better, therefore it was better than the comic" I'm not going to continue this discussion.
You are literally talking about yourself here.
>>301292>Suggesting that Vaughn and Goldman could have done any better is a cop out as well.
there are lots of things obviously wrong with this movie
and the reviews it gets reflects that
One would be foolish not to to think this wouldn't have been noticeably better with those two back in the game? Maybe not as good as the first but way closer to the first than this was
>>301465>Although his inability to rape Night-Bitch shows that deep down he's not really an evil guy.
woah woah woah woah woah
Have we seen the same movie? He was going to rape her. The fact that his little sidekickk (and I;m not talking about the Tumor) couldn;t get the job done doesn't make him less of a bad guy
Mr. Black (7955) 301489
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I meant he was going to rape her just because that's what he thinks an evil guy or a "supervillain" would do, but him not being able to get it up shows that he didn't really want to rape her, that's not who he is. Also, thinking about it, he never actually kills anyone himself or uses his guns on a person, another sign that he doesn't have the balls to be a real villain and he's just playing dress-up.
(obviously his dick works normally, he had prostitutes in the pool at his house)
>>301489>obviously his dick works normally, he had prostitutes in the pool at his house
did you see him use it on them? since you seem, to be an expert on his dick…
He killed KA's dad. He killed the colonel. The fact that he didn't do it with his own bare hands doesn't make him less guilty
Mr. Black (7955) 301499
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I know it doesn't make him less guilty, he's a total asshole. I meant that he is fucked up, but not evil. It's an interesting choice that they made him never actually use his own hands to kill anyone. Obviously what he did to Dave's dad and The Colonel is not okay, but he's clearly insane, he thinks at the end that he will be back like "An evil Jesus".
>did you see him use it on them? since you see, to be an expert on his dick…
I am the number one expert on The Mother Fucker's dick, do not dispute this.
But seriously, there was a deleted scene in KA1 where he has a threesome with two chicks. What are you saying?? lol, that he is impotent or that he is gay??? he does take the anal beads and gimp suit after all….
Damn you could see what this character does in a million different ways really, he's so fucked up.
Mr. Black (7955) 301510
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Yeah but like you said it says The Colonel's name, and the cafe scene didn't feature any epic music…. it's really confusing because when i saw that title before seeing the movie i thought there was going to be some kind of emotional scene where Dave finds out about The Colonel
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this looks like how the scene in the woods could have turned out if she decided to go all hit-girl on them
AK_ChloëFan47 (a681) 301646
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>>301489>Also, thinking about it, he never actually kills anyone himself or uses his guns on a person, another sign that he doesn't have the balls to be a real villain>real villain
I'm glad most courts in the world think differently.
Using impotency as a rape defense is similar to a killer holding a gun to someone's head, pulling the trigger repeatedly and claiming innocence because the gun jammed.
Mr. Black (7955) 301650
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For fuck sake, obviously it was technically all his fault, my point was that he is not actually EVIL he's just incredibly fucked up and a complete moron. He deserved what he got at the end of the movie.
AK_ChloëFan47 (a681) 301660
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>>301650>he is not actually EVIL he's just incredibly fucked up
Inherently EVIL is probably the term you were looking for. I'll definitely agree with that..
He personally suffered a lot of trauma before actually doing EVIL things.
AK_ChloëFan47 (a681) 301828
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Something to cheer us up.
An 8/10 critics review:http://smellslikescreenspirit.com/2013/08/kick-ass-2-review/>A film that matches each laugh with a splash of blood might easily cancel itself out, but Kick-Ass 2 supplies both to a greater objective: a silly film with substance.
Anonymous (9562) 301840
Sounds like you are just a huge chloefag and can't pay attention to anything else without her.
Dave''s parts as well as Motherfucker's had plenty of charisma and were interesting on their own.
Saying the heart of the movie is Chloe is like saying the sky is blue-doesn't need to be stated.
You were hoping for a heavy and focused Mindy arc probably on par with Carrie or something, which shouldn't be expected in a film like this,. There's just enough of her to keep the pacing and balance out the rest of the cast.
All her moments were used just the right amount as it should.
Anonymous (9562) 301842
You implying most of people here read through the dumb shit reviews critics have written?
People that have watched more than the very first trailer and or read the comic book, or obsess over critics shouldn't be so cavalier about the movie.
AK_ChloëFan47 (a681) 301849
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>>295650>This is for all those who have seen the movie>>301842>You implying most of people here read through the dumb shit reviews
I'm implying that this is a thread for those who have already seen the movie. They don't need to read the reviews.
But now we've seen the BO numbers too so we need something to cheer us up.
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 301887
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Yeah Yeah!!! it was my internet and the wifi or something… i gotta saY this..
I FUCKING LOVE YOU!!!!! I KISS FOR YOU AND HAVE SOME CHLOE!
AK_ChloëFan47 (a681) 301888
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pretty good quality. Right?
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 301890
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Hell Yeah! like really.. is not bad
AK_ChloëFan47 (a681) 301891
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Just make sure you buy a ticket when the real thing hits your town.
Chloë and Trevor thank you in advance.
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 301895
btw.. so many fucking things going on so fast… i can't with nothing, is like they don't least me taste any of the feeling of any character except Mindy's.. because her face says all … and she doesn't wear a mask.. but is good so far… i loving Jim
i can tell Mindy feels something for Dave
Anonymous (23af) 301926
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I love Chloë Grace. I mean I really really LOVE Chloë Grace. Therefor it's hard for me to be truly objective about anything she'll ever do again. When she's on screen, my heart leaps a little. She did great as usual with a really solid performance. As far as the rest of the film felt? A little flat to be honest. Hey, man, it's a comic book movie, so let me cut it some slack. Shoehorning Union J into the film seems a little lame, but it's fine, it plays alright within the context on the scenes, so whatever. The scene where Nightbitch is about to get raped irritates me. What are we trying for here, rape comedy? It's just awkward and as limp as Motherfucker's phallus. Another thing that bugs me is Dave's girlfriend's lack of scenes and throwing away her character. So, she's with Kick Ass but cheated on him. It just seems like lazy writing to me. These are just a few moments but when it's all cut together as a whole it plays well. I laughed, I got into it. Jim Carrey lent some much needed presence and gravity to it. I am a critical motherfucker sometimes, but today I will leave McLovin's performance out of it. It's a comic book flick, so fuck it, chew the scenery, whatever. To be honest when I left the theater I found myself longing for Carrie's release to be sooner to look forward to. Hoping Chloë Grace ends up in STar Wars!!!!!!!!
Anonymous (9562) 301957
They needed one scene for Dave and what happens to him. And colonel had that cafe scene so it was alright actually.
The last parts felt a bit too fast, but it didn't bother me too much.
One scene with Hit Girl and Kick Ass knocking on the vigilantes' doors would have been great as well. That would takte maybe 10 seconds of the film.
Anonymous (9562) 301994
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This was a hilarious moment..
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 302005
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I won't! Don't worry
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 302095
Okey..im ready for my review, i wasn't before, i need it to watch for the second time
1- The movie is too much rushed, to many things going on, don't allow us to digest the drama and that is a bad because not only make awful things look terrible (death of the coronel, javier, the motherfucker, dave's dad and Night Bitch rape) also we can't see the characters in duel (not with the necesary time), inmediatly we go to something else, we only have the shock but not the emotionally well made
2- The actors do a great job, all of them, but after Mindy has her revenge, is all death after death and after death without see our characters feeling something. Im not blaming the actors, the do their best with such a weak material. (When Javier died, Chris have a little moment and then goes to another thing) (the coronel died and then we have a cafeteria moment that is not so good with the repayment of the coronel's death) ( Dave's father died, we didn't, even, saw Dave's face and the cemetery part is to short, i didn't felt nothing)
3- Im not saying that the movie needs more emotion (not at all) it just need more time. In the first one we have time. And we felt everything, even the jokes. I can't blame Chloe for growing but that is not even the problem, the thing is the script and screanplay is bad, so her lines aren't so good not because she is older, just because is not good. Not only her lines.. a lot of lines are bad
4-The Mindy subplot… that wasn't even a subplot, those was just clips. And the Union J, is obvious that she didn't like those guys or the band, but the dudes are hot and she is a girl, and those were only her hormones… that part was good… her acting is awesome in almost every part , her face tells everything, and she is the only character that makes us feel something or understands her, like the others actors they have their dramas, Mindy's one was in the woods and when she goes to Dave's room, she was (again) the only one who could make us feel something. But Chloe can't carry the movie by herself.. not even her. And she appears like something alien to the movie, and that's great
5-The script is bad, the soundtrack is bad. The action is not better. Period. Direction.. well.. "never back down" was better with the direction. Blame the Director and writer
6- All the actors were great! i mean, they are all awesome! The coronel and Javier were fantastic! Aaron was fine, and hot sometimes, Chloe eclipsed all of them because she was more interesting and because.. Mindy/Hit girl is awesome, we need more words??? an explication?? (and she was the best trying to do move inside a weak material). the motherfucker was cool.. i don't know. Mother Russia was fucking awesome!. Battle Guy was great, Todd a piece of shit, Katie, why they did that to her?? she was awful and is not her fault is the script, she wasn't that mean. All the mean girls.. well.. they did a good job :) after all they did a good job.
7- It wasn't that "bad "but insults the first one.. i want a third.. i want a HG spin off because this joke of her being more than the first character is pissing me off. The movie was entertaining, and fun, and the action was good, especially's Hit Girl/Mind.. Mother Russia did her thing. You can tell they love the material. It was a fun ride.. but Jeff ruined the whole thing
8- If Mindy wasn't there.. i don't know, the movie will be crap
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>The fact that she actually looks incredibly happy when she starts to fit in with other girls
You're saying this has more depth, yet the exact same shit happens in the comics when she goes to school with new clothes.
This movie made things more dramatic than they need to be. Maybe you like it that way, but ust because you can't pick up on the subtle and more realistic emotions in the comic, doesn't mean they don't exist.
>She says it's more mainstream because shes trying to sell it to a wider audience
How does this help sell the movie? She said it's more mainstream, because it is. You're in serious denial. It's fine to like a mainstream movie, but don't deny it and pretend like this movie is just objectively better than the comics.
>Chris was far more developed and believable in the movies than he was in the comics
Woah, woah, woah. This is a whole different topic.
>My point was that you said HG is closer in KA1 to the comic HG than she is in the KA2 movie
Dont know why you didnt just quote that part then, but ok.
>she is not 11 anymore and Big Daddy is no longer alive, which results in her needing more layers as she is now both a different person physically and emotionally and doesn't have that relationship with her father anymore.
She grew up in the comic too. You're acting as if the comic doesn't address these issues, when it does. If you were to say you liked how the movie represented Mindy's emotions, that would be a different story. Saying "the movie has more heart than the comic" is just plain wrong, and looks extremely ignorant on your part. It seems like you can't draw conclusions unless they are drawn on your forehead with a sharpie.
Mr. Black (d83a) 302251
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>but ust because you can't pick up on the subtle and more realistic emotions in the comic, doesn't mean they don't exist.
I don't think anyone would ever call Mark Millar "subtle". And i fucking love the comics.
>How does this help sell the movie? She said it's more mainstream, because it is. You're in serious denial. It's fine to like a mainstream movie, but don't deny it and pretend like this movie is just objectively better than the comics.
- I'm not in denial about anything.
- A villain called The Mother Fucker, the biggest star getting very little screentime and then getting brutally murdered, a scene where a woman murders 10 police officers and a joke about a supervillain raping a woman. It's not more mainstream.
- I'm pretty sure i never said the KA2 movie is better than the KA2 comic, i was talking about KA1. KA2 is pretty much a straight adaption of the KA2 comic with bits of the HG series condensed into it, except it tones down the pointless depressing violence of the comic and focuses more on Mindy's emotions as she is now 15 and going through a lot more than she would at age 11/12.
>She grew up in the comic too. You're acting as if the comic doesn't address these issues, when it does. If you were to say you liked how the movie represented Mindy's emotions, that would be a different story. Saying "the movie has more heart than the comic" is just plain wrong, and looks extremely ignorant on your part. It seems like you can't draw conclusions unless they are drawn on your forehead with a sharpie.
She didn't grow up in the comics, she just dealt with Big Daddy'death. She is still a child in the comics. And Matthew Vaughn himself stated several times that he had to put more heart into the movie in every way and make Big Daddy sympathetic. He said Millar "was good with big ideas but not with emotional stuff".
And by the way i LOVED that page in the comic where she's at Big Daddy's grave, i wish it was in the movie. But at the same time, i felt they added enough emotional material in the movie in terms of Mindy's love for Damon.
Anonymous (9562) 302514
Which trailers did you watch and how many clips did you see?
Also how many spoilers did you read?
I'm willing to bet you saw almost all of the promotional material.
No wonder you didn't like it.
Anonymous (9562) 302516
As for death scenes. I thought colonel had enough 'mourning' time, they even discussed what they were going to do about it.
The time spent on the dad is about 1:50, in Kick ass 1, they spend about 2 minutes of 'contemplation' before they get right back into the plot and action.
You say you couldn't even see Aaron's face? They show a close up of their faces tearing up, try getting a better camrip.
They did need some kind of scene of them traveling back to their home base though, with them maybe sitting together on a subway or something.
Just something before she finally calls Marcus.
Then they should have been shown discussing a more complicated plan for the final fight, instead of just an abrupt appearance.
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 302637
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I saw the trailers and the tv spot and a couple of interviews but, after the firsts early screens of the 25 guys who watched the movie before everybody else, I spoiled myself the ending so I stopped watching or reading anything after that
Don't get me wrong.. now i know that i like it, i loved it actually, i just pointed the things that i hated, but, who cares… it was a fun movie, you know?? Im appreciating the movie more, is emotional.. you have to give the movie more time, like i did
However the flaws are bigger, i felt like insult the first one…bad script and direction, chessy and chliche, need it more time, it felt like is trying to hard to ofend people sometimes.. now the good things:
The van scene and the mother russia scene were fucking awesome.. i couldn't believe that Mindy throw 3 guys to the win.. it was almost like the comic… the Coronel was so good, i can't even say it, he was the real shit in Justice Forever.. and Mindy.. she was like that presence who make the movie more awesome, when she appears, is always good. The others members of Justice Forever were so good to! Remembering Tommy, i like them, Dr Gravety was awesome.. Night Bitch is a very sweet and smart bitch! she was great.. but the Coronel.. im a fan of Jim. Now Mother Russia.. jesus! she was the best! and the fact that she doesn't speak english makes her more great! so good..
I guess i was expecting a lot more of The Motherfucker but he was great, Aaron was great he is a great actor and he nail Dave's character but neither he or Chris couldn't carry his own arcs, not completly at least… and is not their fault. Leaving that.. they were great, their best parts were: Chris with Javier (awesome John! i love him! he was great.. i was shocked with his death) and Dave with Mindy…they work great together. Im think Chris was better than Aaron.. He seemed evil but is more comedian of course, and that's great becuase his character is not evil.. it just very fucked up
Anonymous (86ac) 303381
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What a disappointment this epic jump scene turned out to be.
ever since the trailer I was like -awww shieeetttt kick-ass bout to smash some heads … and then he just lands there
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Random thought on Kick-Ass. Why does he choose to fuck in the most disgusting places? Dumpster in KA1, public bathroom in KA2.
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Been a while but I just wanted to input my thoughts after seeing it tonight. It defiantly surpassed what I was expecting, after watching trailers I wasn't very excited as it looked mediocre at best. It was not close to being as good as the first but was still solid, aside from the extremely cheesy lines. Went far past what I expected even my dickhead friends who don't know how to shut up in a cinema enjoyed it.
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 304261
No! i mean.. the end generally, like you said, makes me melancholy to.. buy Mindy left and took the movie with her.. However, i want a third movie with Aaron and Chris!! now i appreciate Chris more.. his scenes as the MF were awesome! when he said: "hello Night Bitch!" i was "wow" he get it, and when he told to the Coronel: "im here to end KA not just kill him, im going to shit on everything that he loves" that was motherfucking awesome.. my third fav!
I can't watch it again.. i don't know why but i find the movie so emotional… like a lot of bad things happen, but Mindy left.. i think is maybe because the song of the end.. someone knows the name of the last song?? no the Jessie shit..i mean J.. the other one
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mfw I was bluffing when I said you should do a review I kid I kid
I also thought the death of col starts and stripes was one of the best scenes in the movie (not sure if THE best, still need to rewatch it). You could say it's the warehouse scene of this movie - not nearly as awesome but almost as emotionally powerful
Although I loved that scene in the bedroom the parallel to LMI never occurred to me until you mentioned it. I guess Chloe has a thing for sneaking into boys' bedrooms when she feels like she needs someone to comfort her
Mr. Black (7fd1) 304292
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>I also thought the death of col starts and stripes was one of the best scenes in the movie (not sure if THE best, still need to rewatch it). You could say it's the warehouse scene of this movie - not nearly as awesome but almost as emotionally powerful
Yeah, it doesn't have the incredible visuals and emotional father-daughter love thing going for it, but it was more brutal as he died being made fun of by a bunch of freaks in supervillain outfits. The worst bit is when they start smashing his headquarters up =(
I think "Real Evil" is also the best part of the score, seriously epic music in that scene. Also… Big Daddy deserved to die more than The Colonel which makes it feel more unfair….
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>>304292>t it was more brutal as he died being made fun of by a bunch of freaks in supervillain outfits.
I completely disagree. He was beaten after her daughter was being killed (for all he knew) then he was set on fire as she tried to rescue him. A daughter fighting for her dad as he is slowly slipping away from her is 100 times more brutal to me than what happened to the colonel
>Big Daddy deserved to die more than The Colonel
I don't agree with that either.
Mr. Black (7fd1) 304312
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>I completely disagree. He was beaten after her daughter was being killed (for all he knew) then he was set on fire as she tried to rescue him. A daughter fighting for her dad as he is slowly slipping away from her is 100 times more brutal to me than what happened to the colonel
I meant the actual DEATH, Colonel died alone thinking that his friends were going to get murdered/raped straight after that. Big Daddy said goodbye to Mindy and died with a smile on his face.
I don't agree with that either.
Well, he brainwashed his daughter into becoming a serial killer vigilante and was obviously insane. I'm not saying he deserved what he got, i'm just saying he deserved it more than The Colonel. The Colonel was just trying to help people and he had a code, sure he had fun while doing it, but he obviously was in it for the "Justice". Big Daddy is more like The Punisher (Blood thirsty, insane, a murderer, obesessed with revenge) while Colonel Stars and Stripes is more like Captain America (honorable, wanting to help people, a real hero).
>>304312>I meant the actual DEATH
ok, fair enough
I thought you meant the full scene
>I don't agree with that either.
He wanted to avenge his wife's death and even though she brainwashed her daughter into becoming a killer, they loved each other and more importantly she seemed to enjoy it. It's not like we see her wishing she had a fluffy dog and playing with other girls.
The colonel on the other hand was an ex-mafia enforcer so no matter how much of a turn he made, he still has a shadier background than damon.
One killed mobsters
The other used to be on
I'll side with the first thank you very much
Mr. Black (7fd1) 304319
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>One killed mobsters
The other used to be on
I'll side with the first thank you very much
And he changed his life, he went from being a scumbag to being a real life hero. Big Daddy did the opposite, turning from a great cop into a bat-shit crazy vigilante serial killer.
Big Daddy was doing it only for revenge, while The Colonel was doing it to actually save lives, and he did it without killing anyone. So if we are looking at this from a moral standout in a franchise that features an 11-year-old girl killing dozens of men, Big Daddy deserved it more. (although really he deserved to be in a mental asylum)
>>304319>And he changed his life, he went from being a scumbag to being a real life hero.
I guess that made up for his past, which probably involved killing lots of people and god knows what else
>Big Daddy did the opposite, turning from a great cop into a bat-shit crazy vigilante serial killer.
he killed bad guys
boo-fucking-hooo let me shed a tear for them
also, when he was gone he left a huge hole in someone's heart
as opposed to when the colonel died since he wasn't as close to anyone else as damon was to mindy
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but you don't come close to this girl and the love she had for her daddy
Mr. Black (7fd1) 304330
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He loved eating wieners so much =(
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Oh god, that pic is hilarious
Mr. Black (7fd1) 304335
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The "Serious Team" tv spot
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I thought that looked too good for a cam
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In the KA2 comics, Chris survives, so he had to survive here as well. So it has importance, though in the Hit-Girl comics, HG kills Uncle Ralph, who is clearly alive in the KA2 movie, so probably he will be the next big enemy, if there ever will be a KA3 movie
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>>297869>Her fight scene with Mother Russia was kinda quick
Absolutley, too quick, but still longer and better than in the comics
>When Mother Russia injected her with that Needle not only did i feel my heart sink thinking they actually killed Hit-Girl off but the word Noooo! escaped from my mouth out loud in a silent large crowd of people. What happened next was just amazing a scene i can not wait to re-watch again, the crowd loved it i didn't see it coming it was beautiful to watch.
And I knew what will gonna happen, thanks to my buddies on twitter…
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>>304498>but still longer and better than in the comics
i prefer dat fight in the comics,only because is more brutal and,in a certain way,more realistic. In the comic seems a fight for survive,in the movie rocky 4 (and not only because Mother Russia in the movie is a quote quite shameless of Ivan Drago). And come ……the decapitation as idea is much more better than dat matrix style under speed's effect
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I think that both the final battle between Mother Russia and Hit-Girl & the Mother Russia's killing of the cops where much more fun and entertaining than in the comics.
Also I listened to the complete score and I found 3 songs which I think are cool, especially When The Saints Go Marchin In, which plays under the poker night raid on the brothel
>Hit-Girl on adrenaline without the mask and suit on my picture
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>>304503>>304503>where much more fun and entertaining than in the comics.
because the comin don't want be funny in the rappresentation of violence
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Hollywood ending, like in the first one. The good guys gets rewarded, the bad guys die or something like that>>304499
I can't argue with what you find better, I just stated my opinion. You know more about real life fighting than me, so I take your word on it
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But shooting down everyone with a gun is just lame, regardless of realism… In a superhero movie I don't want scenes like that
that's the point
the movie is a superhero movie
the comic is not a superhero comic,but a comic about humans dressed by superheroes.
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I remember that pic, that's when MF asks: "Is this how you wanted to die, Sal?"
>why haven't Trevor played Insect Man?
Maybe because he is an openly gay character in the movie?
the "avengers assemble" scene was in the evil lair scene leaked few months ago.
If you remember dat scene in the cinema version is different…in the leaked scene when kick Ass punch red mist in the face,the Colonel's dog enter and bites red mist's balls. At this point i think that dat scene wasn't leaked accidentally,but for test the audience reactions.
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>if it didnt have to worry about being watered down cuz of pussies complaining about the violence.
Who are those pussies? The critics? The studio guys? The viewers?
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That's funny, if you think about it in the context of Carrey's disowning of the movie.
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Thanks for this, I really appreciate it and your thoughts are really interesting and cool!
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Yeah, but imagine this:
-Universal complains about too much violence
-Carrey complains about too much violence AFTER
-They lose Carrey's support, despite they basically said the same thing
It's funny imo, and the studio deserved the losing of him, because they were pussies. Jim would have withdrawn the support anyways, it seems, so more violence/coolness/something else from the good things in the comics wouldn't have hurt the movie in the long run.
I hope they will realize this and put the cool stuff back in it at the blu-ray releASE
>>304550>wouldn't have hurt the movie in the long run.
Universal want earn cash
and for earn cash they have to take kids and teens to the cinema. and many products are affected by this.But it always has been and will always be.
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He does respond better in the comics to everything
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You can't take kids to this movie. Teens, yes, but kids? No way…
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Actually the bitch queen bee girl says girls are all the same at this age, not boys.
And I wonder, GG, you didn't mind that Pomp said he liked the action scenes the best, while everyone else before, including you, said that those were the weakest parts?
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Maximum agreeing again!
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I went back to see Hit-Girl. Kick-Ass is cool in the comics, but not nearly as cool in the movies, despite this I liked him, Mother Russia and the Colonel has not enough time, but both of them are awesome characters, and The Motherfucker was great indeed, but not as great as Hit-Girl
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It was better than in the comics, though I found it a bit over-the-top. After I've read the comics and saw that HG used pieces of glass there as well and reading Mr. Black's definition of it was too fast, I've started to like it more.
I definetly want to see that scene again, as well as the whole movie!
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The question here is not whether it is or it isn't restricted, but who the hell would bring his kids to see this movie?!
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because….it's a superhero movie?
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Come, let's jerk about this.
I won't gonna mention Kick-Ass 2 there…
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>>301957>One scene with Hit Girl and Kick Ass knocking on the vigilantes' doors would have been great as well
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Can anyone remember what happens to The Tumor?
They capture him and Mindy points a gun to his head, but after that they are just talking and nothing happens.
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>>302637>the fact that she doesn't speak english makes her more great!
In the dubbed version, she spoke the language every other person spoke, just with a strong russian accent
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 304754
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Of course! but you can tell she is russian.. and that is pretty great!
I need a HG spin off… i think is the solution.. because, hypothetically talking (we don't know if there is going to be a third one or a HG spin off.. so i don't want answers of that type) KA 3 can be based completly or more centered in Dave/Kick Ass like is supposed to be, and we can have more of Chris (wich i think is interesting) and Mindy/Hit girl can appear like the third character that she is, be awesome like always but without without eclipse the others and we can have a movie based in HG because face it.. she has the best arc and the most appeling character, they did a half assed work with her arc when it could be more better.. but even in her lame arc, she killed it and it was more interest than Kick Ass… sorry guys but i laughed with the puke part.. i wasn't expecting that to happen, but they ruined with that CGI shit>>304615
She made him eat his own dick :)
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Thanks for the infos!
By the way I think if there will ever be a KA3, then Hit-Girl would return at the end, more strong, more undefeatable, more cool looking than ever and she will save Kick-Ass and the other good guys
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 304922
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Check! Hit Girl is the best thing in a cape! Mindy is the best teen ever!
Anonymous (bde4) 305214
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>>301289>Like every sequel ever created there was no way that would ever happen. No sequel has struck GOLD a second time.
Ever heard of The Empire Strikes Back?
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This is offtopic. I wanted to say TDK, but haven't said it, because it's offtopic. And by the way the guy who wrote that probably won't return here, so…
or terminator 2
or godfather 2 etc
the funny part is that millar kept saying that this will be like the empire strikes back, where they got a difference director and the movie still turned out great
so much wishful thinking on his part
Anonymous (5f04) 305358
Look.. we have to start from the beginning.. the source material was already difficult to take to the big screen, and Dave in the comic also, didn't have nothing new to bring except Justice Forever, and in the comics JF had a little "sceen Time"
Jeff didn't do a bad job, KA2 is violent but the main problem was the script and the time..
People liked the movie,, i heard positive feedback from the audidence and then, when the critics came out everything was ruined.. just enjoy the damn movie, it could been worse
>>305358>Look.. we have to start from the beginning.. the source material was already difficult to take to the big screen, and Dave in the comic also, didn't have nothing new to bring except Justice Forever, and in the comics JF had a little "sceen Time"
but they did have mindy and christ going through some dramatic story arcs which is enough new material
as is the whole "superheroes lead to supervillains" aspect of it all
>Jeff didn't do a bad job, KA2 is violent but the main problem was the script and the time..
Well HE wrote the script so that's problem one. I don;t know if they had a tighter scheduel than they should have had
>People liked the movie,, i heard positive feedback from the audidence
the world is a bigger place than the audience you saw it with
putting critics reviews aside, I have read a ton of reviews from regular moviegoes and very few of them think this was a really good movie, let alone better than the first
>just enjoy the damn movie, it could been worse
judging by the reviews it got and the numbers it made at the box office it couldn't have been much worse but it could have been a lot better
Anonymous (5f04) 305450
>>305368>>but they did have mindy and christ going through some dramatic story arcs which is enough new material
as is the whole "superheroes lead to supervillains" aspect of it all
we back to the problem of the script and time.. the arc of Mindy and Chris didn't stop of making Dave and JF less interesting
>>Well HE wrote the script so that's problem one. I don;t know if they had a tighter scheduel than they should have had
Even with all the flaws that it has is not a bad movie.. is not shit, i mean, i know that you didn't said it was, but is a very good adaptation, Jeff managed to show something good
>>the world is a bigger place than the audience you saw it with
putting critics reviews aside, I have read a ton of reviews from regular moviegoes and very few of them think this was a really good movie, let alone better than the first
Exactly when i saw the movie i was expecting shit all over the place, because i read some critics but.. it wasn't bad, there was some good scenes mostly with Chloe and Chris, especially Chloe
>>judging by the reviews it got and the numbers it made at the box office it couldn't have been much worse but it could have been a lot better
Believe me.. it could been worse, and it should be better.. is not a bad movie, it's entertaining.. the critics don't understand the movie.. a lot of people that i konw didn't even understand the first one.. idiots :).. it's a rated-R movie..the critics already bashed it, opens in different dates.. they are alredy selling the movie here!!! give the movie some time.. in the UK the thing is doing great
Bee (5f04) 305459
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In the end of the K-A2 and start of KA3 (the comic), Hit-Girl is in the prison and Justice Forever is going to save her. The movie doesn't have those scenes. That means there's no Kick-Ass3 the movie right?
Mr. Black (5f04) 305475
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Apparently they did shoot the prison ending but chose to use this ending. They obviously wanted to give the film a sense of closure in case there is never a third part, they could easily just have HG arrested at the start of Kick-Ass 3 if they do make one.
Anonymous (5f04) 305480
Why do you insist on ignoring user ratings and the percentage of people who liked it? Instead you read the worst reviews and claim a majority?
73 percent liked the movie on RT giving it a 3.8 out of 5.
On IMDB, similar story.
You are telling me you read 50-60,000 user reviews and are able to give a more accurate assessment than what's blatantly shown to everyone?
This is some serious cognitive bias, it's hilarious.
Mr. Black (5f04) 305484
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When i read your initial thoughts on KA2 after you saw it, it felt like you liked it a lot, but had several problems with it and thought it definitely wasn't as good as KA1. You seem to now want to think it was worse than it actually is, and are always negative about it. Vaughn didn't come back, that was his choice, i always knew it wasn't gonna be as great as KA1. But this sequel was made for us, the fans, KA1 didn't need a sequel, but we got one. Why not enjoy the hell out of it now it's here, since it's easily very good-great. (Great IMO) I'm just glad we got an awesome sequel and see where these characters went next. Have you only watched it once so far???
Anonymous (5f04) 305487
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Anyone else really like the van sequence? Wasn't cringey at all as the trailers would have you believe.
The way those dudes rag dolled was hilarious, though I'm afraid my sense of humor isn't human anymore.
Noticed some Jackie Chan-esque shit with the bobbing and weaving of her head.
Mr. Black (5f04) 305492
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I LOVED the part when she was riding the guy on the highway, Chloe is so badass.
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This is kinda my feel too.
GG, you seem to be telling everyone "guys, this movie isn't good, you should belive this", even if some of us like dvt or Mr. Black or me, liked it…
>>305450>we back to the problem of the script and time.. the arc of Mindy and Chris didn't stop of making Dave and JF less interesting
And? They were more intersting characters with more interesting arcs
they were not the problem>Even with all the flaws that it has is not a bad movie.. is not shit, i mean, i know that you didn't said it was, but is a very good adaptation, Jeff managed to show something good
It is a good adaptation, maybe to a fault. But it's not that good of a movie. It's just ok
>Believe me.. it could been worse, and it should be better.. is not a bad movie, it's entertaining.. the critics don't understand the movie.. a lot of people that i konw didn't even understand the first one.. idiots :).. it's a rated-R movie..the critics already bashed it, opens in different dates.. they are alredy selling the movie here!!! give the movie some time.. in the UK the thing is doing great
the first one was rater R and people already loved it>>305480>Why do you insist on ignoring user ratings and the percentage of people who liked it? Instead you read the worst reviews and claim a majority?>73 percent liked the movie on RT giving it a 3.8 out of 5.>On IMDB, similar story.
those will drop, don't pout much value in them just yet
>ou are telling me you read 50-60,000 user reviews and are able to give a more accurate assessment than what's blatantly shown to everyone?
I'm telling you that those are not that representative, especially that eastly
and especially as if they were, kick-ass would be making 3 times the money that the butler made
go read some reaviews
you know … paragraphs and look and what people have to say
and yes I have read hundreds of those
>This is some serious cognitive bias, it's hilarious.
there is no bias and it's moronic to think otherwise
why would there be a bias?
>>305484>When i read your initial thoughts on KA2 after you saw it, it felt like you liked it a lot, but had several problems with it and thought it definitely wasn't as good as KA1
I thought it was decent
run of the mill
>. Have you only watched it once so far???
I'm sure watching it again will make me love it>>305498> you seem to be telling everyone "guys, this movie isn't good, you should belive this", even if some of us like dvt or Mr. Black or me, liked it…
good for you and mr black for liking it
good for the others who liked it too
doesn't change how I feel about
Anonymous (5f04) 305562
The Van scene was The best!!! I laughed the whole time, it was exciting… like the first film, her crazy face was awesome!!!>>305527>>And? They were more intersting characters with more interesting arcs they were not the problem
He is the main character!! The script didn't help him, I consider that a problem
>>It is a good adaptation, maybe to a fault. But it's not that good of a movie. It's just ok
Well… we disagree, it could be alot better! like a damn lot better.. but i think is good
>>the first one was rater R and people already loved it
GG is a sequel.. it doesn't have the same impact because we are already warned about everything.. and the first wasn't a success in the box office neither.. the second is worse but i think it desseves better.. i don't know, im not a expert in BO stuff.. so i won't discuss this.. btw i can't put my username in chlomo, i don't know why
Anonymous (5f04) 305564
Yeah it'll drop to 1 percent like rating? I highly doubt that. Even a drop below 50 percent would be insane.
The audience is ranking their enjoyment of it as high as the first movie, key word 'enjoyment'-all 60+ thousand of them.
Remember your'e the one claiming most people didn't enjoy it, while basing it all on people who aren't in tune with the vibe of the movie and breakdown movies into micro pieces for a living. They don't necessarily watch it for enjoyment, just to analyze it like a school assignment.
The movie is made for a certain audience in mind, and the audience has spoken to a large extent with the 'like' percentage on both sites.
Those who have seen it, mostly liked it by any metric.
You completely disregarding that and saying 'oh it'll drop' is fucking retarded, as you concede the point and act as if that's a sane response.
So you've read paragraphs of negative reviews and alot of them. Do you want a cookie? That just proves my point that you are taking your sample size and thinking that represents the population of people who have watched the movie.
What is your mental problem?
The evidence is right in front of you. Any future ratings are a non factor.
Anonymous (5f04) 305565
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Just in case it isn't clear enough.
Seriously, it's one thing to say you didn't like it but to blatantly lie about the facts to indulge confirmation bias is silly.
>Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses
Again one last time. when someone seeks out reviews of a certain type it doesn't necessarily mean that is representive of how the population feels about it.
>Movie was fun
>It was shit
>No I really though it was fun
Let's just stop that :/
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Did you liked the Sick Stick-scene?
If you read the comics, you could see that there are no scenes in it like that ninja-cheerleading practice, it was made for the film, so it's rather more likely that Wadlow borrowed the idea from Sucker Punch.
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I think you are the only one who liked the puking part
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 305948
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Hell yeah! im not proud of it.. but that reflect how crazy (or mentally wrong) Mindy/HG is
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 305950
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Oh yeah he really stole that part from that movie.. HG arc was so good, if only Jeff could give us more originality
In orden to put the characters that i most love i could say:
2-Coronel Stars and Stripes
3-The Motherfucker (awesome!)
5-Javier (i liked him…was a great adittion)
5-The Toxic Mega Counts
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I really liked Insect Man. He has cool weapons and the way he is a gay character, so he doesn't disguises himself is unique.
And Night Bitch is damn sexy…>pic related
Mr. Black (ec36) 305993
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"As long as your hearts in the right place, we don't care what you put in your mouth."
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 305995
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I like her to but i didn't like that she was kinda the "action" of Kick Ass.. i think that was his best action scene actually lmao except for the one with The Motherfucker, she could have been a awesome character (not only because her name is awesome) but they showed her more sexually just for put the rape scene in the movie.. she is more sexy in her costume..imo
I really like Insect Man, he is very original
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Hey guys, I have a funny "error" for you, which is both in the comics and in the movie.
Marcus in the film and another cop in the comics says "Who could identify these guys, if they take off their masks?" I mean, come on, Mother Russia is like 2 metres tall, has white hair, muscular as hell and has only one eye. Who the fuck couldn't identify her?
Anonymous (c96a) 306013
Ya know, the sick stick thing was so stupidly over the top, it was kind of funny. She was lucky she didn't get barfed on at the end, hehe.
And yes it was nearly infinitely crude. Really, the only thing that really made me wince was the stupid rape joke. All the rest was crazy stupid violence ala Kill Bill and KA1, which was right on schedule if not a bit light.
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 306016
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Agree.. the rape joke was never funny to me.. i saw the movie 3 times..i never laughed about it…it made me feel so empty, i don't know what i felt about that…fortunately the went fast to the Mother Russia part, wich was awesome
AK_ChloëFan47 (4c33) 306047
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Unintentional joke of the week.>>304529>the best pussy is Universal>best pussy>pussy is Universal
It looks like your statement could be rephrased as:
"pussy is pussy, it's all good"
Thanks for the laugh!
AK_ChloëFan47 (4c33) 306067
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>>305480>73 percent liked the movie on RT giving it a 3.8 out of 5.>>305527>those will drop, don't pout much value in them just yet>>305565>Seriously, it's one thing to say you didn't like it but to blatantly lie about the facts to indulge confirmation bias is silly.
I'd interpret his statement about future RT scores more as a prediction than a statement of fact. None of us can see the future but some are better than others at making predictions. Whether or not he noticed that the KA2 RT audience score dropped from 77% last wknd to 73% yesterday, when you posted your screenshot, I can't say. But what I can say is that I wouldn't disagree with him. Sorry to rain on your parade but today the RT score sits at 72%. If you do the math it's coming in at under 20% since the time of your post to push the score from 73 to 72%. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/kick_ass_2_2013/#audience_reviews
KA1 is at 80% with the audience. If KA2 was a better film maybe the audience scores would at least match.
BTW - I did think it was a Fun Flick and Chloë was superb in it, but I would be lying to myself if I said it was a great film.
AK_ChloëFan47 (4c33) 306072
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>>306064>I didnt thiink the rape joke was funny either.
Agreed. It was an idiotic "joke". The only way it could have been made funny is if NB broke free and cut his dick off. Then she could have competed with HG for one-liners.
"Now you don't need Viagra"
"You need a new name now MFer"
AK_ChloëFan47 (0e2a) 307385
>>307371> never said the film was better in anyway.
I wish it was. I think in the right hands it could have been.
I agree with you though. If Chloë's in it you have to like it on some level.
AK_ChloëFan47 (0e2a) 307386
>>307383>>307378>they really killed the motherfucker?
It sounds like your CamRip didn't get the whole movie.
Much greater chance of getting caught once the credits start rolling.
The MFer did NOT die. But he did lose something that might affect his name in KA3.
Mr. Black (946e) 307429
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This moment was so epic <3
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 307437
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I have to admit.. she looked beautiful the entire movie.. and Dave doesn't have that nerd look anymore, he seems "used", he doesn't have that innocent look… it's like Mindy is to much for him… i don't know if someone can understand me… but i like them together, of course>>307407
HOLY SHIT!!!! HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! he has no legs…..
Anonymous (0e78) 307449
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Wish we could have seen her fighting without the wig and mask.
Anonymous (0e78) 307450
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As a guy, I was very turned on by this lol.
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 307457
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That was me.. i always mistake in that: HT=HG..my bad>>307450
I was waiting the entire movie for that part.. I wasn't disappointed!! I love them… (well..Dave disappoint me a little in the movie but not in that scene, he returned the kiss to her…)
Mr. Black (8a04) 307877
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>They were weak apart from one or two of them and they ripped off the first movie too much, down to the flying home track at the end.
Sequels ALWAYS "rip off" AKA pay a lot of homage to their predecessors score, why should KA be any different? they had some epic new tracks like "Justice Forever"and "Real Evil" etc.
John Murphy reused lots of music from his other movies in KA anyway, so i don't really find any criticism necessary.
>As hard as Mintz Plasse tries here there was never a moment where he instilled fear, where I felt he was menacing, like Mark Strong was in the first one.
He was menacing in the Colonel's death scene, people were not laughing at him there, apart from when he said his gang is called "The Toxic Mega Cunts". However straight after that they make the rape joke soooo…..
But i thought Chris was GREAT, you could tell he was having a blast and loving every second of screen time playing this fucked up character. Even though i think Mark Strong is great in the first movie (he made a role that could have been boring and generic into something memorable) i found The Mother Fucker's scenes more entertaining.
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 307892
I agree with you..except:
1. The adrenaline doesn't bother me lol :)
2. Mindy's subplot shouldn't be cut.. it should have been better!!! i don't know how Chloe managed to do a great job with such a shit material.. now i understand why she wasn't so thrilled about the movie
3. I think The Motherfucker shouldn't be like his father (amazing Mark Strong, I even remember his name) because he is "special", like his uncle said.. he is not like them, he did his version of "an evil" person, in his comicbook way of see things..but CMP did an amazing job
Anonymous (0e78) 307897
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Seeing Motherfucker truly evil like in the comic just wouldn't have worked.
Either the uncle needed to be the main bad guy with Chris still indulging himself with his costumes (but under orders from the uncle), or they could go the direction that they decided to go. I would liken the second option to a tight rope of fucked up humor.>>307892
How was the mindy plot shit? What they did show was great, but it needed a couple scenes like:
1.A scene with Mindy and Dave after the dad's death
Also, she was pretty excited about the movie, she only did like 5 dozen interviews and appearances.
2.A scene with them travelling back to their HQ, with Dave with his head on her lap or something (to show their dependency on each other).
3.A longer scene of them preparing their plans to fight, with a shot of her looking at the Big Daddy costume. All of this occurs before she finally calls Marcus. There's the same score playing over this scene.
4. A scene with the amateur heroes preparing and organizing
5.A more dynamic entry scene with them maybe cutting out the lights, beating some henchmen up, before turning the lights on and shit talking.
They could have even showed the moments before they even got into the building to add more realism.
Anonymous (4053) 307937
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>>307877>He was menacing in the Colonel's death scene, people were not laughing at him there
At our screening that scene drew a lot of laughter when he wouldn't agree to kill the dog. "I'm not that EVIL"
>>307877>Sequels ALWAYS "rip off" AKA pay a lot of homage to their predecessors score, why should KA be any different?
I could excuse it if all the original music and soundtrack in here was great
but it was not
almost all of it that was good was from the previous
>He was menacing in the Colonel's death scene, people were not laughing at him there, apart from when he said his gang is called "The Toxic Mega Cunts". However straight after that they make the rape joke soooo…..
he was to you. There was not a single moment when he was to me, as opposed to Matk Strong or even Uncle Ralph in his very brief scene
>But i thought Chris was GREAT, you could tell he was having a blast and loving every second of screen time playing this fucked up character. Even though i think Mark Strong is great in the first movie (he made a role that could have been boring and generic into something memorable) i found The Mother Fucker's scenes more entertaining.
He was good, I didn;t feel he was great and I definitelly wouldn't put him on par with Mark Strong
>1. The adrenaline doesn't bother me lol :)
It's not the adrenaline. It's hit-girl taking punches to the face from Mother Russia like they were nothing. I can not buy that one second
>2. Mindy's subplot shouldn't be cut.. it should have been better!!! i don't know how Chloe managed to do a great job with such a shit material.. now i understand why she wasn't so thrilled about the movie
I never said it should be cut. Jesus. I said part of it could have been cut. Maybe instead of the bitches being nice to her in the start, just having them be straight up bullies
>3. I think The Motherfucker shouldn't be like his father (amazing Mark Strong, I even remember his name) because he is "special", like his uncle said.. he is not like them, he did his version of "an evil" person, in his comicbook way of see things..but CMP did an amazing job
Well, I'd rather have a menacing vilain than a "special" one. They should have done the rape (implicitelly) isntead of turning it into a joke
Oh, and anohter thing - still pissed as fuck that no one from Justice Forever died.
"real people are going to die tonight"
"this is the real world, with real consequences"
the big epic finale where the stakes are at an all time high
pit some regular guys (including kids and women) against thugs and goon and none of them get killed
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>>307892>now i understand why she wasn't so thrilled about the movie
What gave you this impression?
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You are absolutley right, casualties would have been better. I wouldn't have shed a tear for Remembering Tommy and not even for Battle Guy or Dr. Gravity, despite I like both of them.
Mr. Black (7fa2) 308155
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>At our screening that scene drew a lot of laughter when he wouldn't agree to kill the dog. "I'm not that EVIL"
Actually yeah, i forgot about the dog line, but instantly after that line he says "cut the old mans head off" and it's back to fucked up and sad.>>308058
>I could excuse it if all the original music and soundtrack in here was great but it was not almost all of it that was good was from the previous
I really liked it, definitely not as EPIC as the KA1 score, but it's still pretty epic. It had the same moments that give you chills/an awesome feeling: like when they are doing the Justice Forever chant around the table or when they start smashing The Colonel's headquarters up in front of him.
>he was to you. There was not a single moment when he was to me, as opposed to Matk Strong or even Uncle Ralph in his very brief scene
Uncle Ralph was great in his only scene, great casting as Frank's brother.
>He was good, I didn;t feel he was great and I definitelly wouldn't put him on par with Mark Strong
Completely different characters really… but i would. It's the first time iv'e seen Chris do something really different to what he usually does
Mr. Black (7fa2) 308157
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It's just people blowing the "a good director… probably Matthew" comment out of proportion. I didn't see it like she was dissing Jeff, she's said LOTS already that she really liked the movie and she obviously gets a long with Jeff well. I saw it more as "Matthew gave me my career and Kick-Ass was his baby, so it would be amazing if he came back to finish what he started".
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 308215
>>307897>>4. A scene with the amateur heroes preparing and organizing
That would have been great!!!!
Your others points were awesome.. but more Mindy/HG, imo, will overshadow more Dave/KA who is and should be the main character (because the movie has his name)
I would love a movie with HG going to High School and killing guys at the same time.. a Hit Girl movie
KA and Justice Forever + The Motherfucker and The Toxic Mega Counts plus Mindy/HG like the thrid main character that she is and should be in another movie.. kick Ass 2…like the comics, they are separate.. but that is just a great dream>>308059>>I never said it should be cut. Jesus. I said part of it could have been cut. Maybe instead of the bitches being nice to her in the start, just having them be straight up bullies
I was pointing the same kiddo but what i also mean that Jeff didn't care in put originality (i didn't meant to say that you said they should been cut her subplot.. i was saying that they shouldn't cut some of her parts..just making them a little better..like with you idea)>>308081
It just the fisrt interview i saw from Chloe.. it was one that lasted 8 min or something and she was so happy with Carrie and when she talked about KA2 she was "yeah.." but i think because Carrie means a lot to her.. im crazy..
I NEVER SAID THAT MINDY SUBPLOT IS SHIT!!! I LOVED HER SUBPLOT AND IT WAS FUCKING NEEDED!!! MINDY MEANT A LOT IN THIS MOVIE… IM JUST SAYING THAT JEFF WASN'T ORIGINAL WITH THE TRAMA.. but it worked and that is why i want a Hit Girl spin off..
I always been a Kick Ass 2 Defender.. and i knew that i will love it, and i did, the movie is like a tornedo of emotions and i ended the film with a melancholy feel about Mindy… what will happen to her???but i also feel like insult the original with bad writting and less originality and a little half-assed.. but the movie worked so well even with those flaws
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 308217
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Sorry for my bad english..im so sorry
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If they would have kept MF from the comics, the critics could have said "even more violence and senseless killing than in the first one", which if you think about, he does in the comics.
But if you compare Red Mist to the Red Mist of the books, you can see that Chris D'Amico is a good kid at heart, while Chris Genovese is fucked up in the head for sure.
I like the movie version better
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 308225
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Im going to watch it on cinemas like five times!!>>308173>>I wish we could have gotten tons more of Chloë killing.
Well i'm the one who wants a Hit Girl movie so.. i understand your point
If i don't count Mindy/Hit Girl.. i would love more of Justice Forever and The Toxic Mega Cunts.. more of Justice Forever
Just watched the movie. Must say im pretty disappointed. Its pretty clear to me that Jeff Wadlow did a bad job, turning a movie that were supposed to be awesome into a regular movie only.
Way much time was wasted with the whole highschool bullshit (Union J scene, popular girls vomiting scene, wtf was that?!). The first hour of the movie was actually kinda boring, except for some JF scenes, especially the ones w Jim Carey (Yeah, there is a dog on your balls!). The last 30 minutes were better..Hit Girl fighting in movement car, and especially, the Mother Russia fight scene were pretty good.
About the actors:
>Our queen did a good job again. Could've been better with a better screenplay, but she did the best , considering the way they decided to build the HG character. And she looks so goddamn beautiful. When watching most of her scenes, i just wanted to hug her and never let her go.
>Aaron did what i was expecting he would. He was ok, like in the first one.
>Chris was better than I expected. Though, i dont found motherfucker as awesome as some people were saying. I heard that he had stole the bright in the movie..dont think was THAT great. He deserves to be recognized for his acting though. He did a good job too.
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>>308607>Way much time was wasted with the whole highschool bullshit
Have you read the comics? Lots of time in it has been taken by showing the personal lifes/tragedies of the heroes, so that was accurate
As for the rest, the Union J sequence is funny to me, and just the vomiting part felt very uncomfortable, it's waaaaay out of place there…
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So you haven't seen it in the cinema? I hope you will…
BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 308795
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Guys.. where i can find a subtitled version of the movie??? my english missed in some parts… subtitles in spanish not korean or russian or latin!!! lol
Eli (3bb9) 309335
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I'll second this.
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BritneyBitch! (6dbb) 309492
BEST REVIEW EVER!!! WORTH TO READ!! http://alternativemagazineonline.co.uk/2013/09/01/film-review-kick-ass-2/
>>With the help of his bodyguard Javier (played by the always enjoyable to watch John Leguizamo)
>>‘Justice Forever’. Led by Colonel Stars and Stripes (a scene-stealing Jim Carrey as you’ve never seen him before)
>>With Hit-Girl retired, Mindy is forced to face the trials and tribulations of school, contending with bullying girls who she sadly can’t kill and a life that she doesn’t know how to live.
>>Of course, Mindy soon becomes Hit-Girl once again and it’s during these scenes that the film truly comes to life. Although she’s no longer quite the pint-sized dealer of death she once was, Mindy still looks youthful enough to shock with her skill at dealing out extreme violence in the name of justice. Much of the violence is too comical to take seriously (which is just as well, otherwise it would be hard to stomach) but Hit-Girl is never played for laughs. She’s a total bad-ass and is fast becoming an iconic character in both the worlds of comic books and cinema.
>>In the end, it’s the performances (along with the laughs) that make Kick-Ass 2 worth seeing.
>>Jim Carrey delivers a genuinely believable tough-guy and although his screen time is limited, he makes every second count – he’s a joy to watch and it’s a shame that he declined to promote the film (although his reasons are understandable).
>>Christopher Mintz-Plasse finally manages to shake off his ‘McLovin’ persona to become a somewhat threatening bad guy – the one misstep of his character is down to the script rather than his acting and involves an allusion to rape that thankfully never occurs, but still doesn’t sit comfortably as acceptable joke material. (DAMN AGREE WITH THIS LAST PART)
>>Overall, Kick-Ass 2 delivers on a smaller scale than its predecessor. Much of the shock-value has dissipated by now, but despite a mostly ho-hum plot and some underdeveloped side-characters and subplots, the main event is still worth the ticket price. Chloe Grace Mortez looks like she’s having the time of her life and she more than supports the weaker aspects of the production with her witty one-liners, perfect timing (dialogue and action) and commanding purple-wigged screen presence. Over violent and purposely offensive, Kick-Ass 2 (much like the original film) won’t be for everyone – but if you’re a fan of comic book fantasy, you’ll be guaranteed some great performances, solid action sequences and plenty of laughs.
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As you could see, all the three main characters have an open ended story:
- Dave continues the Kick-Ass-legacy, he improves himself and his armor, so becomes a cooler superhero
Too bad, that according to whatculture.com, he makes his father's sacrifice useless this way, because everyone thinks that Kick-Ass is dead, but if he goes back to the streets, the police will soon find out, that Dave is the green-yellow hero, not his late father was. And also, they've pointed out that the rumour about he and Mindy having sex will spread in the high school, and since the police knows about every hero's identity, they know that Mindy is Hit-Girl, so they will probably sooner or later question him about this. He either gets arrest for having sex with a minor or if he tells the truth, then he will be arrested, because superheros are outlawed now and he is one.
- Mindy left the city and probably tries to start a new life somewhere else. Imo, I think she will continue Hit-Girling in the new city, after she blends in.
Again, whatculture.com says that if you think about it, Mindy is probably unable to lead on a life on her own, because under her 15 years, there was always someone who took care of her/told her what to do, and basically she knows very little about everyday life, as we saw it…
- And Chris D'Amico survived the shark-encounter, but he became a cripple. A crazy cripple. I have no idea about his fate, but instead of him, there's still Uncle Ralph, who could be a cool new villain. Wonder how Chris will fit into his plans though…
Anonymous (c34b) 311130
It wasn't a waste of money, but I was disappointed.
The lack of Vaughn really reflected in the film; Vaughn knew how to film fight scenes, whereas Wadlow kept using that God-damned shaky cam. Also, where the first films' changes to the comic were for the better, here, they were pretty much all for the worse. Tonally, the first film knew when to be over-the-top, and when it needed to take things seriously. Kick-Ass 2 seemed to be just the opposite; particularly, the death of Colonel Stars, Night Bitch's assault, and Dave's dad getting killed are almost perfunctory, they have no dramatic weight. Compare that with the torture of Kick Ass and Big Daddy, and the latter's death, in the first one. It's an amazingly moving sequence.
The characters fare pretty poorly too.
Hit-Girl suffers the worst imo. There shouldn't be a Mindy/Hit-Girl dichotomy; Mindy *is* Hit-Girl, and the comic gets this right. Her attempts to fit in at school are forced, she only does it to put one over on her mother and step-father, and hates having to do it; she only begins to enjoy it when she decides it's like an undercover mission. She's not normal, she simply cannot relate to the others in anything resembling normalcy.
In the film, however, out of nowhere Mindy desires to be normal, and seems to really what to turn her back on being Hit-Girl. She doesn't seem any more out of place at school than a typical new kid, and there's every indication that if she didn't run into the wanna-be Mean Girls, she'd have fit in just fine. Chloe does her best, but the script doesn't help her.
The Motherfucker is basically treated as a joke, which sucks all the drama out of the final fight sequence; the entire film, he's presented as a joke, and we can't take him seriously as a threat. Again, the comic gets this right; even though he's not physically any threat, he has the will to do evil, and the means, via his wealth, to do so. It also makes it feel weird when he's able to go toe-to-toe with Kick-Ass, who should have been a lot better after all that training with Hit-Girl. Again, Christopher does his best, but the script undermines him at every turn.
I would like to see a third, just to wrap things up, but I don't have high hopes.
Anonymous (0e78) 311133
Hit Girl in the movie was basically trying on being a normal girl for size. And she decides that being herself, a vigilante, was for the best. Mindy in the comics is so one note and one dimensional that I'm glad they went about it differently. Mindy in the comics, and most of the characters actually are pretty unlikeable.
In the movie she is an actual human being with a variety of emotions but with a strong penchant for vigilantism.
As for the dramatic aspect of the motherfucker and maybe all of the character arcs, you have a point in that they could have made it have more impact.
But the entire gist of the movie I feel, is that it's an irreverent black humor vigilante story, and it delivers on that so it's forgiveable that dramatic aspects aren't as pronounced.
That said, adding more scenes to the end like:
1 Scene with Chris with his mask off and costume on sitting in an office (or standing), looking at a photo of his dad. At the same time they could have put Hit Girl and Dave's 'preparation, deciding who they really are' scenes back to back with Chris'
Or it didn't even have to be like that exactly. One scene that humanized him to the level of Dave and Mindy would have been very good.
Anonymous (0e78) 311134
Also, Chris was deeply unlikeable in the comic to the point of being unentertaining.
It was like watching a school shooter wannabe kid being as edgy as possible.
Sticking closely to the comic would have been a disaster.
Anonymous (0e78) 311136
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I think the key to liking the movie is to be able to 'go' with the vibe the movie is trying to establish.
I personally didn't watch KA1 or any of the clips months before KA2, nor read the comics.
Is there anyone here who has rewatched KA1 multiple times before KA2 and or memorized the comics? I'm guessing those that have hated the new movie.
ϟ FairyTalesOf NewTime!P7rf5jGywI 311142
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I have seen this movie in the last evening, in almost empty hall(why so, I don't know).
Hoooooooo it's pumped up the adrenaline movie. It's rudely, bloody and fun film, yes it have some shortcomings. All characters delivers.
I think KA2 was successful. .
/Also I'm waiting for 47 ronin/
Anonymous (c34b) 311240
If you read my post as a complaint that the movie wasn't like the comics, then I don't know what to say, as nothing I wrote implies that.
The problem with Mindy's arc is that it abandons what was established for her character by the first film, in favor of a poor rehash of Mean Girls. In the first film, it is clearly established that Hit-Girl isn't just some normal girl who happened to get to be a superhero in her off-time, Hit-Girl *was* her life. It's unrealistic, not just in what we know of children in her circumstances (see child soldiers in Africa and SE Asia), but also to the character in the first film, to treat her as just another kid who happens to get caught up in an odd situation with some bullies.
I drew comparison to the comic's version of this because I felt it got the tone right. Mindy is completely out of her element; she simply cannot think anything like girls her own age, cannot understand their thought process, cannot fit in at all. Showing High School life from that perspective not only is more narratively satisfying, it's funnier, and truer to the character.
I disagree that it can get a pass on the dramatic elements, just because it's an "irreverent black humor vigilante story." So was the first one, but you'll notice it got the dramatic elements right. Black comedy has to, in order to develop sympathy for the characters, the fact that this film didn't hurts it.
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>>311130>Also, where the first films' changes to the comic were for the better, here, they were pretty much all for the worse.
Decapititations, killing animals and children without any reason and raping - I don't think we needed these to be in the movie…
>Hit-Girl suffers the worst imo.
I say we didn't really get to know Hit-Girl in the first film. We knew her dedication to heroism, her love towards her father and how she combines childish cuteness with the professionalism of an assassin. If you never read the comics, you can't say "Hit-Girl don't ever wanted to be normal", because how do you know? How do she knows, she lived a lifestyle that was really far from normal, and now she tastes what everyday life is like, and maybe likes to try it? And she does it for Marcus, really, out of love and respect.>>311133>Mindy in the comics is so one note and one dimensional that I'm glad they went about it differently.
This. I can't understand how can anyone like
the comics' Hit-Girl. There's nothing about her to be liked… >>311134
Bro, at least 4 years have passed since KA1. In 4 years, you can change drastically, especially if you are in the teenage period, like Mindy in KA2. She could have tried to live a normal life for his stepfather and herself, while trying to maintain the Hit-Girl-alterego's training in honor of her dead father. Do we have any clue that she continued vigilatism in between KA1 and KA2? I don't think so, they only show that she maintained training routines…
Anonymous (c34b) 311831
>>311431>Decapititations, killing animals and children without any reason and raping - I don't think we needed these to be in the movie…
As opposed to the mass murder of how many cops, again?
But I'm glad you bring these topics up, as they buttress my argument. The film brings up these topics (the dog and the rape, anywho), but plays them for laughs, instead of using them to build the credibility of The Motherfucker as a threat. If you don't want to have animal cruelty or rape in the film, don't bother bringing them up at all. Just have the Toxic Mega-Cunts kill Colonel Stars and Stripes, and leave the dog barking in his cage while they walk off. Have them track down Night Bitch's house, then cut away and leave the audience to wonder what really went down when Dave visits her in the hospital.
>Bro, at least 4 years have passed since KA1…
lolno. You recall that at the end of the first film, when Dave mentions Mindy has been enrolled in his school, the sign says "Welcome 9th graders?" (this is a bit of a plot hole, since obviously 11 year olds generally aren't in 9th grade.)
Of course, we only "know" Mindy is 11 in the first film if we assume she's the same age as in the comic, or if she's supposed to be same age Chloë was during filming, or if you take the one character's claim that she "looks about 11" as gospel - the film never directly addresses it. Mindy didn't age 4 years - this would require Dave *and every single one of his classmates* to have failed the past 3 years in a row - she was "aged up" as a retcon to a) deal with the fact that Chloë can't pass as a pre-teen anymore, b) to have an excuse for her to in the same school as Dave, and c) to not have their possible romance seem really fucking creepy.
But that aside, people who go through what Mindy had gone through don't ever "grow out of it," whether we're talking 4 years or 40; they're scarred for life, and that's what I mean when I say the comic treated that concept better. Whatever merits Big Daddy had for doing what he did to turn her into Hit-Girl (and definitely the film treats him and his motives better than the comics), there are consequences for that, and they should have been treated accordingly.
Anonymous (49d0) 312110
Like I said before, you have to go with what this movie's vibe in order to like it. They were clearly going for a more interesting hitgirl so she can't be a one note morose vigilante killer.
You mention Motherfucker and HitGirl being unsatisfactory because it wasn't morose and edgy like in the book (mallet to a criminal's head splattering his brains out edgy). I agree that there needed to be a serious scene with MFer added in and quite a few more extended scenes from dad death and onward, but to say that the comic got anything right with regards to the characters is just questionable.
Just the dialogue of Motherfucker in the comics is so cringe worthy, there is just no person there. Just a robot saying angsty things.
Same thing with Hit girl. She's just this psycho mary sue character that plays the same shtick over and over again in the comics. How does anyone like this?
If they were going to do a serious fucked up treatment of Hit Girl where she can't adjust at all, then it requires some serious deviation from the source material and more time devoted to her arc-with a hit at the comedy element. Even if they decided to go the serious approach to her and keep her an autistic outsider, I highly doubt they would opt for the ridiculous overplayed version in the comic.
I would have liked a much more dramatic approach too but they decided to make something more funny.
Using the mean girls route isn't meant to be a serious substitute for development either. It's a hybrid of a gag + character development. It's almost like a fan service thing to see a badass character having to deal with mundane shit.
The point of the movie was to deliver an irreverent black comedy with a thin strand of drama and character development, and a bit of earnestness underneath it. They could have enhanced that thin line much better in my opinion.
Just by the nature of the comic book the movie could not have done the things the first movie did in terms of realism etc. I don't know if Mark Millar had anything to do with that, because having Chris as the main villain makes things necessarily tongue in cheek by nature. The uncle would have had to be written in as the main bad guy to keep up the realism of the first film.
Hit Girl in comics-gun and weapons wizard who can control entire prison gangs
Chris in comics-Virginia Tech Shooter wannabe with a costume
Basically every other character-Unlikeable cutouts,
Story in the comics:Extremely cheesy if it were copied 1:1 and played completely straight, it needed either a deviation of massive proportions or something that this movie tried to do (Funny/irreverent overlaid on top of some seriousness).
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>>311831>Mindy didn't age 4 years - she was "aged up"
That's unbelievable… I know you are right, but never thought about this and it's so stupid!>>312110>a serious fucked up treatment of Hit Girl
Chloë said she wants to explore this side of HG, so this could be a basis for a spin-off.
Anonymous (c34b) 312455
>You mention Motherfucker and HitGirl being unsatisfactory because it wasn't morose and edgy like in the book
No, that's not what I'm saying, and it's rather annoying that you keep going back to the "Oh you don't like it cuz it's not like the comic" when I've been very specific in that I think that only certain aspects of the characters/narrative work better in the comic than they did in the second film. There's a lot of stuff from the comics you can't keep because they're either horrible, or because they don't fit with the narrative established by the first film, but there are other parts that do fit that were changed too much or jettisoned entirely.
>The point of the movie was to deliver an irreverent black comedy with a thin strand of drama and character development, and a bit of earnestness underneath it.
So you think people in the audience wouldn't have found a scene like this funny?http://images.wikia.com/kick-ass/images/b/b3/HitGirl_2_TheGroup_010.jpg
Hit-Girl floundering through High School like a fish out of water is exactly what you're talking about; an inherently hilarious scenario that also has a touch of sadness.
>Same thing with Hit girl. She's just this psycho mary sue character that plays the same shtick over and over again in the comics. How does anyone like this?
That's the same character she was in the first film. When I read about Wadlow and Moretz talk about how "we see more of Mindy (in the film)" it makes no sense, because KA1 firmly establishes that there is no dichotomy between Mindy Macreedy and Hit-Girl. She's not like Peter Parker/Spiderman, she's like Bruce Wayne/Batman. Watch it again; she's the same character in costume as out. Far from being "one-dimensional" this adds a tragic touch to the character without needing to say a thing; at first glance, it's hilarious that this little girl is a foul-mouthed, ass-kicking machine, but then you think about it, and you feel sad for a girl that will never get to know normalcy.
The decision to have Mindy be a seperate persona, one that seems to really want to be a normal girl (see her get upset at Dave and accuse him of not understanding her at all) not only contradicts what the first film established, it also hurts two of the best sequences in the film - when Mindy sneaks into Dave's room (a replacement for the scene in the comic where she's crying at her father's grave over the same problem), and when she gives him her first kiss. Hit-Girl and Dave's relationship in the comics has much more weight to it (even if it's not romantic like in this film) because of the fact that she's so alone - Kick-Ass is the only one who cares for Hit-Girl as she really is. Sure, you can say Marcus (and her mother in the comics) loves her, but he'll never accept her as Hit-Girl (for good reason, but still). The movie doesn't seem to give her any real reason to develop feelings for Dave other than "lol female hormones;" had Hit-Girl behaved more like she does in the comics (and the first film), it would have more impact because Dave is the only real friend she has, the only one who accepts her for who she really is.
Incidentally, it looked like at the start of the film that this was going to be the direction they went with the characters; the look on Mindy's face in the taxi when Dave asked her "don't you want to know someone's got your back?" is priceless. But then they went in a totally different direction.
> I agree that there needed to be a serious scene with MFer added in and quite a few more extended scenes from dad death and onward, but to say that the comic got anything right with regards to the characters is just questionable.
The comic got it right that he was a serious threat in spite of his over-the-top ridiculousness. We're in absolute agreement that his dialogue in the comics was stupid. The movie, though, spends so much time undermining his credibility as a threat that by the time the last battle comes we just have to take the heroes' word that he's a danger.
Anonymous (c34b) 312470
Other post was already a huge wall o' text.
I think the decision to essentially reset Chris' evolution into the Motherfucker wasn't wise either; although the scenes were fun, and both Christopher Mintz-Plasse and John Leguizamo are enjoyable, it takes up too much time in an already cramped film. We already have his motives from his last scene in the first film, I think we should have just had some cuts to him recruiting the Toxic Mega-Cunts and given more time to Hit-Girl/Kick-Ass and/or Justice Forever.
Additionally, Katie could have been written out in the opening voice-over since she barely appears in the film anyway.
Ideally, I think the first 45 minutes or so should have been primarily a Mindy/Dave story, alternating between showing them bonding over training, (maybe even fighting crime together), and her struggling at school, with cut-aways to the Motherfucker's plotting and establishing Justice Forever. Then, we resolve Mindy's arc at school, which results in Marcus putting his foot down and Mindy basically being out of the picture, forcing Kick-Ass to team up with Justice Forever. After about 15-20 minutes of JF antics, Motherfucker puts his plan in motion, and after killing Col Stars and Stripes, hospitalizing Night Bitch, and having Dave's father killed, he springs his attack on the funeral, Mindy comes to Dave's rescue, and tells Marcus to shove it. Rather than puss out, Dave decides to get revenge on the Motherfucker and we get to the last fight, and there should be enough time left to make it epic.
It'sCallAdrenalineBitch! (6dbb) 312626
The decision to have Mindy be a seperate persona, one that seems to really want to be a normal girl (see her get upset at Dave and accuse him of not understanding her at all) not only contradicts what the first film established, it also hurts two of the best sequences in the film - when Mindy sneaks into Dave's room (a replacement for the scene in the comic where she's crying at her father's grave over the same problem), and when she gives him her first kiss. Hit-Girl and Dave's relationship in the comics has much more weight to it (even if it's not romantic like in this film) because of the fact that she's so alone
I don't understand so much what are you saying but in the first one the only thing we know about HG is that she is a killing machine and that she loves her father. She started KA2 thinking she is HG and really dind't give a shit about High School
In the second she lost her father and she is older, she starts cuestion things and based on the promise that she made to Marcus (that she also made to her dad) she start trying to be a normal girl (that means give a chance to Mindy). In the begining of KA2 she thinks she is HG, for her Mindy is the mask. But now she has to be Mindy and find out what she is and all that stuff
But she doesn't know nothing about be a normal person, she experiment new
feelings, she is scared, the Mean Girls made fun of her and that overwhelms her… the fact that she can't be herself against them, the fact that she is alone in her life, her father is not here anymore (she was just a kid in the first one), she only has one friend, like in the comic
So, our girl rules the Means Girl in her sence of bringing justice into the situation, and she realises that Mindy and HG are the same person. Mindy won't stand in front of the TV watching how people die and HG neither
HG/Mindy caracter is gold… and she is insane
It'sCallAdrenalineBitch! (6dbb) 312628
>>312455>> The movie doesn't seem to give her any real reason to develop feelings for Dave other than "lol female hormones;"
Okey, stop it! i can agree with you in other stuff but this.. just don't
They care each other so much, is not even "female hormones" only when he took off his shirt (and every girl in the world would do the same) How she feels about him, it's pretty clear, she cares for him a lot, so much that she can give her "life" to save him, fight with him just to make all the shit stop, break her promise and let the cops follow her and leave the city. He is the first person that she thinks and the one who can talk to, that knows her and accept her and cares for her. She was heart broken when she had to leave him alone. She was also very confused because he is her only friend and she doesn't know how she feels, for a moment she felt a little jealous when she find out that he had other girl but then she was like "who cares" and then she was like "i need to see him, he would understand me"… it's confusing but we are all sure that she cares for him is not what you said
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>>312455>in the comics (and the first film) Dave is the only real friend she has, the only one who accepts her for who she really is.
And in KA2, she has other real friends and/or people who accept her Hit-Girl persona? Nope, she still has only Dave, but in the beginning, he didn't even wants to be friends with him, remember, he has to persuade her into take him with her to training.>>312470
I like your idea!>>312628
Anonymous (c34b) 312828
>And in KA2, she has other real friends.
That's the point - she wins over the class with her dance routine, and after the incident in the cafeteria, it's a safe bet that she would have been the most popular girl in school, had not the Motherfucker not ruined everything. It plays out like your basic 80's/90's teen comedy.
That feels wrong because we know that someone in Hit-Girl's circumstances would never be able to do that. That's the one thing I like about the comic; it stays true to the premise that a little girl being raised like this has no hope of ever fitting in, of ever understanding what "normal" is. People in that situation are affected the rest of their life, they never get over it or decide to give it a try, it's too traumatic of an experience.
KA2 kinda ends that way but only by circumstance - again, had the Motherfucker never showed his face, Mindy would have likely ended up the most popular girl in school, and had no need for Dave.
It'sCallAdrenalineBitch! (6dbb) 312915
In KA2 the comics she won the "fight" between the Mean Girls and nobody knew about Hit Girl in the school… she had "friends", if you wanna use that word, and in the movie she had "friends" too.. but she weren't like: "oh hey i killed 30 guys in a corridor once" "oh yeah what should we do with the motherfucker?" Those wasn't friends.. she was trying to have friends and fit in High School.. she did it?¿? yes because in KA2 the comics she was in high school and she had "friends" but she didn't care about be a normal girl she was just pleasing her guardian… but nobody is like Dave
Sadly they mixed it up HG comics with KA2 comics so.. the things are a little messy but it worked because Chloe's great talent and the subplot even when it wasn't original it wasn't that bad.. but it could be better
Just Finished KA2 comics..and im still disappointed.
First of all, we "lost" a pretty cool HG scene, that would be her in the police car in the end of the comic..stopping not to kill Gigante and being arrested.
Second, i dont think it was wise to transfer the final fight to the Motherfucker's QG. It would be better if it was a street fight..showing more of the stuff the villains did. Chris/MF in the shark tank was bullshit, but i think they did that to left opened and at the same time closed, the possibility of a 3 movie. (Its pretty opened to me, and i really wish we'll have KA3, cuz the movie series cannot be finished that way.)
Third, i really understand the killing children part not being in the movie, but i think the decapitations could be, at least, suggested..you dont have to make a strong scene out of this..but, you know..(anyways, that was the "adaptation" that bothered me the less)
Fourth, why the whole Kick-Ass, Night bitch stuff? Really. Katie already was Dave's girlfriend in the last of the first movie, why change the story again? The one hurt by MF and his gang should be Katie, like in the comics, since she was in the movie, why not?
>Again, i say, the school part was very, very poorly placed in the story. Some ridiculous scenes i already mentioned in my first post here. Mindy and Dave's kiss was unnecessary, but tolerable. Anyways, they had a problem, that was Mindy/HG ageing (what as you guys know, just saying to be completely clear, does not happen in the comic) and, in my opinion, they didnt know how to solve them. Like i someone said here, mostly of the adaptations in the first movie made it better comparing to the comic. Unfortunately, that didnt happened in the second one.
To be fair, there was one adaptation i liked: the MF seems cooler in the movie than in the comic. The changes about him were good.
Now, all i have to do is wait to watch it on the big screen. Despite everyhting i said, I think its a movie worth it to watch in the cinemas (it would be only cuz of Chloë, but, you know, speaking about the movie itself ) I hope will enjoy it better. If i cant i'll just focus in Chloë's beauty. The only good things about the new HG/Mindy story they adapted, was to see how beautiful she is.
Anonymous (6dbb) 312961
She can't end in jail if there is no guarantee about a third film
Disappointment for me was Jeff.. Chloe and Chris were awesome and, again, Chloe was the best of the film
They changes the did were accurate for me, the movie has low budget, so i was expecting those changes
You can't get you way in the films but in the comics you can.. there stuff that it can't be in the movie
In my opinion, the movie was only good. The disappointed is, ofc, cuz it could be awesome.
>with a little more time think it would have been better
I agree. 20 more minutes would really help. And, i think he could've used better the time he had too
Anonymous (49d0) 313626
Good changes to make would have been:
Keeping Katie in the picture for funny drama between her and Mindy, and because she is actually a very warm looking and acting actress/character.
Making the uncle the big boss, which keeps the film more grounded like the first film, but still allows for zaniness ala Chris. Could you imagine a second big fight at the prison using Hit Girl's 50 weapons?
Anonymous (49d0) 313641
I just don't buy Chris being a super serious threat, for the fact he's just way too inexperienced to be the master villain played straight.
Even though I enjoyed the movie, all of the major changes that could have happened could be forgotten.. if they could just add 20 minutes to the end from when Dave's dad died -> Appearing at the MF'er lair. The original was at least 2 hours with more or less the same budget.
Anonymous (49d0) 313740
The film could have brought mfer more humanity by putting in a scene like him staring at a photo of his father in an office somewhere, along with scenes of Hit Girl and Dave having similar contemplative scenes.
Just a small thing like that would be enough IN MY opinion to ground him and make you feel for him alot more.
These things aren't hard to shoot either… I can't believe no one spoke up about these things. Can no one tell anything if its in script form?
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>>315035>Ass-Kicker as a "super villain" was weird, the villains were all red and black and he was just shining yellow, dafuq?
That puts emphasis on how much of an imagineless looser Todd is, because first, he couldn't come up with an roiginal costume, then with an original name and even has no creativity in turning into a supervillain - like Red Mist, who turned into The Motherfucker.
>Hit-Girl not going to jail? wtf!? no epic "It's and honor to serve" and aren't they supposed to break HG from jail in KA3? so now what?
Actually since the big showdown was not at the Times Square the police didn't interwiened, so how could she get arrested? And IF there will be a KA3, which I really hope will be, then she could easily get arrested at the beginning.
As for Chris D'Amico/Genovese's mother, that will be interesting to come up with a solution for that, since now that both her and Javier are dead, he has nobody who once loved him but now wants to kill him…
Anonymous (c34b) 315100
These are complaints about the movie not following the comic, beat for beat, but that ship sailed with the first movie. I know upthread I've mentioned there are parts of the comic that I wish the movie had kept, but at the same time a lot of the problems in the film stemmed from trying too hard to make the movie fit the narrative of the comic.
It might have been much better had Wadlow merely used the comic for some good ideas, but largely stuck to making his own movie that logically followed the first film (I say this not knowing exactly how much of the story were his own ideas, and how much was just him trying to adapt the comic). Of course, it would have been much better had Vaughan been at least the primary writer, even if he couldn't commit to directing (it definitely would have been better if he could have done that too).